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welcome back to crying all beings I'm

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your host DJ back from Japan no energy

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jet lag and I have no wine with me today

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at all none

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it is the British Invasion two Led

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Zeppelin versus The Who baby put ya

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money

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and UFO talk How You Like Me now

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yeah feel the energy

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amen amen amen thank you Hallelujah

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Nathan's been he's been up on that it

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my favorite Pastor in the world right

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there to my left how are you Nathan I'm

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good man how are you I can't believe I

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mean folks don't know this you were just

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in Japan like 24 hours ago or something

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I don't even know yes yeah so uh and uh

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guess what in the chat is our our uh our

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our other co-conspirator uh Deb a study

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of uaps the host of devs data Dojo she's

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hanging out right now and when the who

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get up out of here Led Zeppelin is going

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to start first as a result of the coin

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flip the honest coin flip of one David

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Smithers of Manchester uh and once um

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once uh the who departs we're gonna get

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Deb in here because she's going to be

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voting on who had the best topic

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whichever team produces the most

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thought-provoking topic today will win a

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piece of AI artwork for each team member

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plus their Associated mystery guest by

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Monday Nathan

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all right can anybody applaud can there

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Vinnie Graham

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Christopher come on

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and even Davey's got a podcast now

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shifting gears man you want to get your

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mental health in order get your life in

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order get all that Cheeto dust off your

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fingers put it on your bicycle and uh

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and get with Davey's podcast shifting

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gears anyway

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um so Nathan at the start of the show uh

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we wanted to get uh in all seriousness

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because I do take these bands very

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seriously they have changed uh the world

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of music and to some degree the world

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um uh okay DJ you're clipping bad on my

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end okay so Kurt I'm gonna switch over

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to the other band of uh of um but before

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I do that I just want to say that we

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want to talk about uh these bands and

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and get get these guys thoughts and uh

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like Vinnie said he's not all that

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passionate about these classic fans but

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nonetheless

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okay there's nothing wrong with that but

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they they represented England uh and

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changed rock music and if I were a

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British person even if I didn't love

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this music I would be inspired by that

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because of the fact that it it changed

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the world of music into the world and uh

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the whole world to a degree as as

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evidenced by that one Beatles

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documentary so Vinnie we'll start with

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you just because you're at the top of

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the screen next to myself and take it

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away on the who are Led Zeppelin well

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yeah you said it all then like I'm just

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not that up on kind of rock music in

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general you know I I come from a kind of

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when everyone else was listening to kind

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of cheesy pop music and stuff and that's

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any kind of Zeppelin or who June comes

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always recognize it and I'll always

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dance and have a good time to it but

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it's just not my genre of music so I'm

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all right um so I want to introduce

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everybody uh this young lady was brought

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to us by uh a friend of cab Matthew

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McCabe uh who's watching uh now I'm sure

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uh and one of our our absolute buddies

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uh uh just a a great human being and a

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UFO experiencer and he found another

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experiencer Miss uh Jillian here so Jill

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um first of all say hello and then take

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it away with what your thoughts on these

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I'm really pleased to be here it looks

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like you guys have a really good crack

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every time you're doing these and so

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really nice to meet you all

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um I think Led Zeppelin and the who it

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was an ERA not really my era my parents

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Quadrophenia and it was an iconic movie

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with an iconic album and I did actually

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prince's trust uh in London I think

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Morissette and so they were nearly past

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it then that they were fantastic on

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what they were listening to because um

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and bought the The Who Live it's Leeds

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album and so I got brought up sort of

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it is amazing I heard the who talk about

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that they came out with some really cool

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the club they started off in and then

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next week they would be wearing the same

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thing that the who were wearing on stage

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outfits and the who was actually copying

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what they were wearing it's like oh wait

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these guys have got something cooler

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than than we're wearing I I saw an

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obscure documentary on the who uh on an

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airline flight and and saw that

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um I also want to mention

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um that um Julie is in the chat uh the

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Jewel of the Nile the jewel of Indiana

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is in the chat moderating for us Deb is

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also in there and hello everybody Kurt

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hairy Man paranormal pixie Lara and the

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rest of the homies and um thank you for

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that and let's move on to a professional

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musician a professional drummer someone

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inspired by uh John Bonham and uh and

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our friend that the host of the UFO

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thinker podcast which is absolutely

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amazing pod uh in in Frank foreign

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everybody pleasure to be uh back again

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once again

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and uh yeah yeah from if I mean if I'm

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honest when it comes to Zeppelin In The

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two all favorite band you know favorite

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bands of all time for me it was if we're

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talking sort of old school rock it's

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probably more of Jimi Hendrix and and

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Sabbath and things like that um but if

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a drumming point of view like there was

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the one out of the two that I would be

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proud to represent and I'm proud to

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represent in this evening can I get amen

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uh before I I before I bring on uh Frank

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screen next to me is the host of the

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disclosure Team part of UAP media UK and

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this is uh another amazing show with

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prolific guests uh Lucky in that we have

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a couple of podcasters on here that are

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setting an example for both Nathan and I

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that are bringing on Amazing guests and

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having great conversation and certainly

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aren't as cracking as many jokes as I am

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which is probably a good thing uh Frank

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Milburn uh former British paratrooper uh

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intelligence analyst and all around

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badass and somebody who is ready to copy

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um how's it going Frank

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thank you

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Frank are you with me maybe his

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Frank are you there brother

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uh Frank is Frozen in Time

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Frank are you there

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yeah can you hear me okay

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yeah we got you now brother talk to us

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about Led Zeppelin In The Hoop okay I'll

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can you hear me mate

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yeah we can hear you we can't see you if

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you need to turn off your video

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well we'll tell them right Nathan is to

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turn off the video and go audio but for

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now let's go with uh the mankunian uh

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that DJ great to see everybody yeah I do

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and I remember pumpkin mods that ages me

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as well Zeppelin was great I always

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guitar double uh six string League

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guitar doing The Stairway to Heaven

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so they were quite into it I seem to

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remember and I love the who I remember

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the who I don't remember Khalil I'm not

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that old but I remember watching the

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video of Who on Woodstock when Pete uh

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sounds and smash these guitars to pieces

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next morning on his talk

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hello to Apprentice Defender strats

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Masterpiece he's reading that anyway so

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him as much as Zeppelin and Zeppelin was

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like a mix of folk rock and blues as

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well brilliant fan brilliant band and

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the water baseball caps the right way

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around Minnie

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I told you I come from the hip-hop

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background exactly

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you youngsters yeah I'll give you that

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one Dave I'll give you that Nathan these

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kids these days I know um all right so

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we've got Frank Milburn back so we'll

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get back in order with Frank and Frank

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if if you're having pixelation you can

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turn your video off and just go audio

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um if we're not able to hear it so let's

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give it a go and see how it goes and if

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okay yeah um I'd say two fantastic

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um it would definitely I'll definitely

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hear Thailand because I went to uh

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so in 1977

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standby one Frank because we're getting

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we're getting a delay so let's try to go

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audio we'll miss your your lovely face

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but go Audio Only and let's see if we

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can hear you now

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I don't know well I can hear you so so

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go ahead and see how yeah so I went to

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brothers were all like 14 and they were

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um so I was brought up for a

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watch with that and I have to say I mean

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I love the two bands I really couldn't

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use between The Who and led Zepp because

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they both got very distinct music Styles

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I both love I love

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both of them

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what happened was uh you know my

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stepbrother we really did like a whole

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kind of who led set

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up from like the 90s onwards and um it's

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something that you know when we're

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together we always

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play in the car together it's like you

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know the who Led Zeppelin or running

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stuff

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yeah two of my favorite fans I couldn't

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choose

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between them

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they're amazing it's got to make you

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guys so proud to to to have these bands

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Graham what's your impressions you

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you're around uh someone you're my age

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so you're around for you know while the

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who was ongoing and Led Zeppelin before

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they passed what's your what's your take

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well first of all I gotta say I I feel

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like I'm in the world's worst Brady uh

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so I'll get out of the way first

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um as far as the who in Zeppelin well

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when I was a kid and I didn't know

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anybody I used to wonder why Zeppelin

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could fly if it was made out of lead so

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that that was that was the start but

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yeah and Dave's just nicked me Stairway

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to Heaven I was going to say I'm gonna

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stay away I haven't if I'm on the on the

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DJ calling all being show so I'll get

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out of that way to be honest I was never

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a Metalhead so I I was always broke with

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uh Punk a new wave when I was young when

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I was in the 70s and a bit of disco as

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well so um Vinnie's gonna I can say

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Go music man and Scar as well so um a

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bit of everything really but stars who

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was concerned well yes they used to

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break instruments but Pete Townsend

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apparently used to break them carefully

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because as Dave was saying it was always

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a case of trying to put them back

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together again wow so that was

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apparently how he did it he used to I

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don't know how they used to do it but

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they used to do it in the way that they

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could put them you know much easily back

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together again so whether that's like

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some kind of urban legend or not but

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that's something I've read before

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um because they were just going through

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yeah they were breaking something like

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100 at every tour yeah it was quite it

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was quite a lot so obviously costly my

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helmet hell hello money but I think it

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got to the point where the a lot of

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bands emulate them as well for spurious

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reasons like you know a string would

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break or they wouldn't work probably or

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they were breaking amps that wouldn't

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work properly as well so it's set a

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trained off so there you go I love it

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yeah it you know what it is is if you're

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using the fender and you're about to get

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to the part where you're gonna break it

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up you tell the guitar tech bring out

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the Epiphone we'll switch out real quick

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same colors nobody will know the

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difference let me Smash the hell out of

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the Epiphone

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um anyway

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um before we get to Davey we'll go to

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Christopher sharp this gentleman is a uh

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a lot of people don't realize that he

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probably forgot more about rock history

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than I know I've had some discussions on

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the phone with him so Christopher my

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friend uh what do you have to say about

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this Led Zeppelin in the hoop

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well you know um the who developed from

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any group called The detours

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um you know they um so I'm just looking

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at Wikipedia here

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my knowledge there but um yeah no no I I

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don't know like I I love like Pinball

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Wizard and songs like that

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um but by the who like they're they're

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amazing obviously like

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um keep me in guitarists and stuff

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haven't so much got into Led Zeppelin at

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all but um I guess it was like that

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movement really of like rock bands that

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there was

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music you know and um I see it's I don't

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know I see I I see like I don't know

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it's it's so difficult to get my

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thoughts across and terms of

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British music and how kind of like one

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reacts to the other and then there's a

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rivalry between two bands and stuff like

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that I just like the the I love the

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Mosaic of it all you know just um but

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yeah yeah

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um I think the who's gonna be my

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favorite band though so yeah out of

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those I love it I love it man I love

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bring it man

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um Davey Johnson as you can see I've

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switched over in honor of these bands

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I've switched over to the UK hat which I

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bought from my wife she said it doesn't

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fit her quite right well it fits me

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great uh good luck on my part

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um

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David what say you brother about The Who

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and Led Zeppelin I am from a musical

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family my grandmother was a organist in

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the theaters in London my dad is a jazz

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bass player my brother is a rock singer

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and songwriter who lives in Germany I

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think that was following sort of the

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David Hasselhoff route to Rock when he

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moved to Germany and he'll kill me for

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saying that but there we go

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um but yeah I I have got not a musical

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bone in my body but I love listening to

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music and last time I was on here I got

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referred to as Keith Moon so I'm

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slightly disappointed I'm not on the who

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this time but having said that

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as Chris Bledsoe told Grant Cameron the

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message is in the music and referred him

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back to cashmere and you've only got to

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look at I am a traveler of both time and

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space to be where I have been to sit

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with Elders of the gentle race the world

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has seldom seen they talk of days for

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which they sit and wait all will be

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revealed

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ah how I love Davey Johnston Nathan let

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me count the ways uh that was a

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brilliant Nathan beautiful that's

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beautiful that was incredible what's

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your thoughts well yeah my musical chops

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were uh sort of created in the 90s era

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of grunge I was a big fan of Rage

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Against the Machine so Tom Morello uh

427
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that made me much more interested in Led

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Zeppelin uh Jimmy Page and his guitar

429
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playing of course their influence from

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the Mississippi delta blues was also

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really exciting for me

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um both bands have incredibly iconic

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sounds though I mean you can't like go

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anywhere basically without hearing

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something from those bands they've made

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a huge impact on the world of music and

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Cinema and TV

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but uh you know if I had to pick I would

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definitely go with Zeppelin I just love

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that uh ethos and and hard kind of

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gritty sound that's that's my thing

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thank you brother yeah I I that there's

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uh well put uh and just you know a

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little bit of a tour of of your musical

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loves

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um I'm a fan of of the 90s also uh and

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the 80s uh because that was my high

448
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school years was the 80s uh but I would

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say this

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um

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if I can use the word anthematic you

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know a lot of the whose Tunes are

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anthematic they're on as you guys know

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all these different television

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commercials here in the year 2020 of Our

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Lord

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um so that shows you know how great that

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music was and how singable and danceable

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and head bobbable that that music was

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um it's incredible obviously style

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um

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there was a little bit of groundbreak

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there

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as well you know but you're you're

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coming right off the heels of of of The

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Beatles In The Rolling Stones who just

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took what was started and turned it in a

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direction that was unique to them and

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beautiful in that way because it was a

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little bit different and none of them

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were a copy of the other that is is sort

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of the best thing is that they they

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originated something about Led Zeppelin

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I would say this

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I shared that video of them playing in

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that studio in Denmark in 1969.

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and you realize that Woodstock was that

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same year

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and so you have to take that performance

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that they played in the studio in front

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of three rows of kids who looked like

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they were on some sort of helium and

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they were unable to Bob their head or

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raise their fist where if that were in

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front of like a British or an American

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audience people would have been standing

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cheering you know just nodding their

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head going wild and these kids were

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sitting there like huh maybe maybe it

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was just that like you know

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awestruck I don't know but what I will

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say is this if you would have put that

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band in front of the Woodstock crowd in

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1969 clearly we're talking August 15

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through 17 1969 so you're almost at the

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end of the year so clearly that that

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video was shot and that music had been

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written already probably before those

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last you know let's say four months of

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the year if you were to put that band up

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at Woodstock

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you would have had 450 000 people going

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huh what the hell is this man

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what is this

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the little play there obviously and they

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got the crowd going there's no question

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about it but if Led Zeppelin would have

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played that music they would have said

509
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we've never heard anything like this

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there hasn't been anything like this

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and I think that's the go ahead man

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no I'll let you finish first I just have

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a point to make after that that I mean I

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would have just continued on with that

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point so go ahead please I was just

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going to say I feel really bad because

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I've basically just said I don't know

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anything but one thing I can say is I

519
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spent time in Jimmy Page's house

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well

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so we all knew we'll know or it's fairly

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how long were we going to be friends

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before you're going to mention that then

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next time here's the story so you I mean

525
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it's fairly common knowledge that Jimmy

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Page for a while owned baleskin house

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previously owned by Aleister Crowley

528
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obviously I spent time at baleskin House

529
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filming the documentary earlier this

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year so I can actually say I spent time

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in Jimmy Page's old house so that UPS my

532
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lack of knowledge a little bit surely

533
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yeah I tell

534
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a 10.5 to 2.5

535
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thank you thank you we've seen an

536
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evolution right here on this podcast

537
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don't get don't get too excited it's a

538
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I got 45 minutes to up my knowledge so

539
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just wait till I come back but just you

540
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know I just wanted to make that point uh

541
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instead if if that band would have

542
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played at Woodstock I think people would

543
00:22:17,930 --> 00:22:16,200
have just been like up what the hell is

544
00:22:20,810 --> 00:22:17,940
this it's just something that didn't

545
00:22:22,850 --> 00:22:20,820
exist prior to and with the violin bow

546
00:22:24,950 --> 00:22:22,860
if you guys have watched that he's in

547
00:22:26,690 --> 00:22:24,960
that studio and Jimmy Page is playing

548
00:22:28,430 --> 00:22:26,700
with the violin bone it's just

549
00:22:30,409 --> 00:22:28,440
incredible I think people would have

550
00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:30,419
freaked out and said they would have

551
00:22:35,450 --> 00:22:33,120
they would have essentially you know won

552
00:22:38,029 --> 00:22:35,460
Woodstock if you will over maybe Crosby

553
00:22:40,730 --> 00:22:38,039
Stills and Nash second performance ever

554
00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:40,740
was at Woodstock so

555
00:22:45,289 --> 00:22:42,900
with Sweet Judy Blue Eyes it'll never be

556
00:22:47,330 --> 00:22:45,299
sung like that again uh Crosby Stills

557
00:22:48,409 --> 00:22:47,340
Nash and Young sorry I've seen that

558
00:22:52,909 --> 00:22:48,419
before

559
00:22:54,470 --> 00:22:52,919
yeah yeah so anyway uh so Nathan we're

560
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:54,480
ready to um

561
00:22:59,810 --> 00:22:57,600
send send off to who any final thoughts

562
00:23:01,250 --> 00:22:59,820
before no I think I think we are this is

563
00:23:02,930 --> 00:23:01,260
I'm really looking forward to this uh

564
00:23:06,409 --> 00:23:02,940
the who has the advantage of getting to

565
00:23:08,450 --> 00:23:06,419
witness Zeppelin go first uh so they're

566
00:23:10,610 --> 00:23:08,460
going to be watching taking notes I know

567
00:23:12,590 --> 00:23:10,620
this crowd their meticulous note takers

568
00:23:15,470 --> 00:23:12,600
they're gonna be coming back with with

569
00:23:18,110 --> 00:23:15,480
the heat you know it so uh we'll see you

570
00:23:20,090 --> 00:23:18,120
guys yes Nathan I just want to say uh

571
00:23:22,490 --> 00:23:20,100
you know some others who might respect a

572
00:23:25,850 --> 00:23:22,500
lot is no General MacArthur and picking

573
00:23:27,250 --> 00:23:25,860
first if I were him up in a second right

574
00:23:29,450 --> 00:23:27,260
yeah yeah

575
00:23:30,370 --> 00:23:29,460
that's an advantage of my book but we'll

576
00:23:32,810 --> 00:23:30,380
see

577
00:23:39,789 --> 00:23:32,820
we're not worried about that look come

578
00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:42,529
I want to say one thing because

579
00:23:46,610 --> 00:23:43,799
um we're going to have our mystery

580
00:23:48,110 --> 00:23:46,620
guests coming in uh the first mystery

581
00:23:50,570 --> 00:23:48,120
guest is going to come in at the 30

582
00:23:52,970 --> 00:23:50,580
minute Mark so whomever so if nobody's

583
00:23:54,590 --> 00:23:52,980
backstage it's not an issue if all of

584
00:23:57,409 --> 00:23:54,600
you are going to be on chat with Vinnie

585
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:57,419
that's that that's all good and just be

586
00:24:01,370 --> 00:23:59,760
monitoring uh for when we're gonna bring

587
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,380
on that second group we're gonna have to

588
00:24:05,390 --> 00:24:03,360
have Deb come on in so that's going to

589
00:24:07,850 --> 00:24:05,400
be three places here plus four is seven

590
00:24:10,010 --> 00:24:07,860
and then we need at least one spot to

591
00:24:12,529 --> 00:24:10,020
bring on that mystery guest

592
00:24:16,270 --> 00:24:12,539
yeah yeah definitely will Shepherd them

593
00:24:18,649 --> 00:24:16,280
back so okay we'll see you all shortly

594
00:24:22,850 --> 00:24:18,659
looking forward to it

595
00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:28,010
so let's see if I get everybody here yep

596
00:24:31,549 --> 00:24:29,510
all right

597
00:24:35,149 --> 00:24:31,559
okay and Milburn I think was the last

598
00:24:38,090 --> 00:24:35,159
one right Melbourne is in the hoop okay

599
00:24:40,430 --> 00:24:38,100
um all right guys

600
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,440
man we got to get Debs in here yeah

601
00:24:43,549 --> 00:24:42,240
where's uh she'll be here she's not

602
00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:43,559
backstage yet so she'll be here in a

603
00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:46,679
second I'm sure okay

604
00:24:50,690 --> 00:24:49,020
um so yeah uh so we're going around

605
00:24:54,049 --> 00:24:50,700
table format from the way it's looking

606
00:24:57,169 --> 00:24:54,059
right here there's debsy we will start

607
00:24:59,690 --> 00:24:57,179
with uh David smethers

608
00:25:04,130 --> 00:24:59,700
um General Smothers who decided we will

609
00:25:09,649 --> 00:25:06,169
as you were as you were

610
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:11,930
the Yorkshire gray I love it Vinnie's

611
00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:20,330
he's blown it now and he's no chance at

612
00:25:24,890 --> 00:25:21,780
getting his credibility back now after

613
00:25:27,950 --> 00:25:24,900
that and Tony Gary Newman weaves all

614
00:25:29,330 --> 00:25:27,960
over this lot wow Gary Newman wheezed

615
00:25:32,810 --> 00:25:29,340
Over The Who and Led Zeppelin I'll tell

616
00:25:35,029 --> 00:25:32,820
you what Tony that is strong if if it

617
00:25:37,850 --> 00:25:35,039
slightly you know misguided I think

618
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:37,860
perhaps Deb can count you know see

619
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,559
counseling with you uh and help you out

620
00:25:46,250 --> 00:25:42,720
after the show but I do like Gary Newman

621
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,260
no doubt about that all right should we

622
00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:48,960
get on with it yeah I'm gonna moderate

623
00:25:52,130 --> 00:25:50,760
this round Nathan will be moderating the

624
00:25:54,649 --> 00:25:52,140
who

625
00:25:55,730 --> 00:25:54,659
um and you know I don't know how he's

626
00:25:58,430 --> 00:25:55,740
going to take that it might be like

627
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:58,440
these guys are gonna win these guys are

628
00:26:02,750 --> 00:26:00,659
getting the AI artwork but in 30 minutes

629
00:26:04,370 --> 00:26:02,760
from now we're almost this is perfect so

630
00:26:06,470 --> 00:26:04,380
on the hour we will bring in your

631
00:26:09,350 --> 00:26:06,480
Mystery Gift David Smothers take it away

632
00:26:10,850 --> 00:26:09,360
are we just doing what we think our what

633
00:26:13,970 --> 00:26:10,860
the topic should be discussed now and

634
00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:13,980
then we're going to choose one yeah no

635
00:26:18,950 --> 00:26:16,200
well wait a minute we talked about large

636
00:26:21,769 --> 00:26:18,960
brain power you're bringing a topic for

637
00:26:24,529 --> 00:26:21,779
everybody to consider and everybody will

638
00:26:27,049 --> 00:26:24,539
have a hack on that topic policy

639
00:26:28,669 --> 00:26:27,059
commentary by Nathan myself and Debs and

640
00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:28,679
then we'll go on to the next uh

641
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,720
individual team member right well I'll

642
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,640
try and keep it short because luckily we

643
00:26:37,549 --> 00:26:34,559
only did 28 minutes on that introduction

644
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:37,559
so we're in good sense yeah so anyway

645
00:26:43,789 --> 00:26:41,520
we'll uh uh right okay I want to ask you

646
00:26:46,610 --> 00:26:43,799
guys if you think

647
00:26:48,289 --> 00:26:46,620
the four things uh these four things are

648
00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:48,299
connected and how and how much they

649
00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:50,820
affect each other the AAA legislation

650
00:26:53,930 --> 00:26:52,620
that's currently about to be approved by

651
00:26:56,330 --> 00:26:53,940
Congress which will be great to

652
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,340
monitoring of the subject set up a new

653
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:59,279
office whistleblower hearings

654
00:27:04,130 --> 00:27:01,200
the NASA study

655
00:27:06,049 --> 00:27:04,140
and the San Marino project Titan you

656
00:27:08,750 --> 00:27:06,059
anything are those and I'll tell you I

657
00:27:10,730 --> 00:27:08,760
think they're connected very briefly

658
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:10,740
I think the Whistleblower hearing is

659
00:27:15,529 --> 00:27:12,480
called well blow the door open for the

660
00:27:17,149 --> 00:27:15,539
IAA legislation to be implemented and

661
00:27:20,029 --> 00:27:17,159
that's a studio I haven't really got

662
00:27:22,610 --> 00:27:20,039
much hopes for to be if Frank could be

663
00:27:25,010 --> 00:27:22,620
something where we see public education

664
00:27:27,710 --> 00:27:25,020
on the back of that if it all goes to

665
00:27:29,690 --> 00:27:27,720
plan and we might see the San Marino one

666
00:27:32,090 --> 00:27:29,700
doing an international type deal that

667
00:27:33,890 --> 00:27:32,100
comes out of all this so do people think

668
00:27:35,090 --> 00:27:33,900
these things are connected or am I

669
00:27:40,850 --> 00:27:35,100
delirious

670
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:43,310
all right so basically take that away

671
00:27:47,930 --> 00:27:45,840
the okay so let me see where we are now

672
00:27:50,630 --> 00:27:47,940
all right so it looks like uh Frank

673
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:50,640
Jones uh maybe the best drummer in all

674
00:27:59,570 --> 00:27:56,990
well thank you very much

675
00:28:00,830 --> 00:27:59,580
and actually the first little story for

676
00:28:02,930 --> 00:28:00,840
you regarding the Zeppelin thing

677
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:02,940
actually before I get into Dave's very

678
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:04,740
nice topic that he suggested there

679
00:28:07,789 --> 00:28:06,720
speaking of being a drummer and all the

680
00:28:10,370 --> 00:28:07,799
rest of it the first time I actually

681
00:28:12,590 --> 00:28:10,380
played on the the BBC under the decision

682
00:28:14,210 --> 00:28:12,600
one of the engineers there said that in

683
00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:14,220
yesteryear he actually engineered John

684
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:17,400
Bonham's kit and uh I reminded him a

685
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:19,080
little bit of John Bonham's playing and

686
00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:20,460
that was something that I took to the

687
00:28:26,149 --> 00:28:22,980
bank and have cherished ever since so uh

688
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,159
there you go so to hear that from uh

689
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:27,840
from that kind of person was a very nice

690
00:28:32,090 --> 00:28:30,720
little compliment uh but yeah anyway in

691
00:28:34,610 --> 00:28:32,100
terms of the way that those kind of

692
00:28:36,890 --> 00:28:34,620
things link yeah I think there could

693
00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:36,900
well be some some links there I think

694
00:28:42,890 --> 00:28:39,720
essentially all of these things are kind

695
00:28:44,330 --> 00:28:42,900
of efforts to crack open the same nuts

696
00:28:46,130 --> 00:28:44,340
essentially you know what I mean like

697
00:28:49,010 --> 00:28:46,140
we're talking about various different

698
00:28:52,010 --> 00:28:49,020
sort of ions in the fire to get to the

699
00:28:54,169 --> 00:28:52,020
bottom of the same mystery and um the

700
00:28:56,269 --> 00:28:54,179
intelligence authorization act with the

701
00:28:58,549 --> 00:28:56,279
the you know the Whistleblower

702
00:29:00,470 --> 00:28:58,559
protections and and things like that

703
00:29:02,450 --> 00:29:00,480
obviously is hopefully going to pave the

704
00:29:04,010 --> 00:29:02,460
way for people to be able to to come

705
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:04,020
forward with some information about

706
00:29:08,870 --> 00:29:07,080
these uh you know top secret programs

707
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:08,880
that have been operating without

708
00:29:13,490 --> 00:29:11,760
Congressional oversight for so long and

709
00:29:15,230 --> 00:29:13,500
obviously that would you know give us

710
00:29:18,169 --> 00:29:15,240
some good indications of what actually

711
00:29:19,669 --> 00:29:18,179
is information has been gathered and

712
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:19,679
potentially materials and things like

713
00:29:25,010 --> 00:29:22,260
that by these these programs

714
00:29:27,230 --> 00:29:25,020
and at the same time the the NASA study

715
00:29:28,909 --> 00:29:27,240
you know is looking at different ways of

716
00:29:31,490 --> 00:29:28,919
of scientifically approaching this

717
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:31,500
mystery you know in terms of you know

718
00:29:35,750 --> 00:29:33,720
how best to study it what data sets to

719
00:29:38,330 --> 00:29:35,760
look at and things like that so I think

720
00:29:40,490 --> 00:29:38,340
they're not necessarily all linked to I

721
00:29:43,730 --> 00:29:40,500
would say as part of some kind of a

722
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:43,740
a a disclosure rollout like sometimes

723
00:29:46,610 --> 00:29:45,299
you hear people talking about how

724
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:46,620
there's there's some kind of a grand

725
00:29:51,230 --> 00:29:49,200
plan behind the scenes I I would love

726
00:29:53,690 --> 00:29:51,240
that to be the case be very interesting

727
00:29:56,269 --> 00:29:53,700
if it was but I think it's probably more

728
00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:56,279
a case of there's a link there but in

729
00:30:00,289 --> 00:29:58,200
that these are all various different

730
00:30:01,850 --> 00:30:00,299
angles and approaches of trying to get

731
00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:01,860
to the bottom of the same mystery but

732
00:30:09,470 --> 00:30:04,020
not necessarily directly linked as part

733
00:30:15,769 --> 00:30:13,070
I I like it yeah and I I tend to uh tend

734
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:15,779
to agree with that point uh let's move

735
00:30:20,570 --> 00:30:18,240
on to uh somebody who has outstanding

736
00:30:23,330 --> 00:30:20,580
hair especially when he Styles it like

737
00:30:25,850 --> 00:30:23,340
Simon Lebon uh which it's cut too short

738
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,860
today to do that but Christopher sharp

739
00:30:31,310 --> 00:30:27,360
my brother

740
00:30:33,409 --> 00:30:31,320
hey uh yeah yes excellent topic Dave

741
00:30:36,110 --> 00:30:33,419
so I mean um

742
00:30:38,330 --> 00:30:36,120
what do I stop say the IAA whistleblow

743
00:30:41,149 --> 00:30:38,340
language which is connected well which

744
00:30:43,310 --> 00:30:41,159
is now coupled to the ndaa uh yeah

745
00:30:45,169 --> 00:30:43,320
that's really really important

746
00:30:48,710 --> 00:30:45,179
um in terms of whistleblower language

747
00:30:50,690 --> 00:30:48,720
and stuff and um I don't I mean I think

748
00:30:51,889 --> 00:30:50,700
hearings are gonna I think they will

749
00:30:54,529 --> 00:30:51,899
trigger

750
00:30:56,149 --> 00:30:54,539
um public hearings definitely I think a

751
00:30:57,049 --> 00:30:56,159
lot of the people that have come out so

752
00:31:00,169 --> 00:30:57,059
far

753
00:31:03,169 --> 00:31:00,179
for instance can now speak in

754
00:31:06,350 --> 00:31:03,179
elaborate a lot more what they know

755
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:06,360
um to the public and know that they're

756
00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:09,000
protected as well which should bring a

757
00:31:12,889 --> 00:31:11,460
lot of ease to them

758
00:31:17,510 --> 00:31:12,899
um and I think

759
00:31:20,090 --> 00:31:17,520
I I think that's going to provide some

760
00:31:21,409 --> 00:31:20,100
more doors that are going to open

761
00:31:23,529 --> 00:31:21,419
um I think eventually we are going to

762
00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:23,539
get confirmation on secretary programs

763
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,100
that have existed and some other things

764
00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:28,320
as well about the fact that we might not

765
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:31,380
know what these things are at first

766
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:33,840
um before perhaps kind of like getting

767
00:31:37,850 --> 00:31:35,580
further down at rabbit hole and kind of

768
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:37,860
like potentially confirming non-human

769
00:31:41,330 --> 00:31:39,240
intelligence

770
00:31:44,330 --> 00:31:41,340
um but yeah I think that will legitimize

771
00:31:46,850 --> 00:31:44,340
efforts such as San Marino but it

772
00:31:49,130 --> 00:31:46,860
depends depends when that happens you

773
00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:49,140
know I think the San Marino

774
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:51,840
um decision may come within the next

775
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:54,480
year so if we make enough progress to

776
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:56,159
the next year then that might be a very

777
00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:59,279
very good Catalyst for that occurring

778
00:32:03,529 --> 00:32:01,140
um and then more pressure will be put on

779
00:32:06,289 --> 00:32:03,539
NASA at the same time as well I mean

780
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:06,299
yeah I mean I think there may be some

781
00:32:09,350 --> 00:32:07,440
kind of like

782
00:32:10,490 --> 00:32:09,360
not a grand plan but there is a plan to

783
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,500
a certain extent I mean if you look at

784
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:12,960
The Pedestrian emails for example

785
00:32:15,230 --> 00:32:14,279
um you'll see one of the conversations

786
00:32:16,970 --> 00:32:15,240
that

787
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:16,980
um Tom DeLonge had on there was about

788
00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:19,320
having public educational program

789
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:22,620
fronted by NASA and also having some

790
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:25,440
efforts led by the dod

791
00:32:31,610 --> 00:32:30,000
um with odni and NOAA as well uh which

792
00:32:35,149 --> 00:32:31,620
seems to have happened to a large extent

793
00:32:37,130 --> 00:32:35,159
so uh you never know uh it's certainly

794
00:32:38,870 --> 00:32:37,140
an interesting uh an interesting series

795
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,880
of events that we've got ongoing at this

796
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:40,640
current moment

797
00:32:45,289 --> 00:32:42,960
I'll tell you what I just want to say

798
00:32:46,909 --> 00:32:45,299
cheers to everybody I have a couple

799
00:32:49,730 --> 00:32:46,919
beers here I hope I'm not the only one

800
00:32:52,850 --> 00:32:49,740
drinking other than Vinnie so

801
00:32:54,289 --> 00:32:52,860
um not that you know I think it's great

802
00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:54,299
to drink during the day but you should

803
00:33:01,130 --> 00:32:58,080
all be drinking anyway uh so uh let's

804
00:33:03,110 --> 00:33:01,140
pass it on to uh Mr uh Davey Jones

805
00:33:03,789 --> 00:33:03,120
please

806
00:33:06,889 --> 00:33:03,799
yeah

807
00:33:08,570 --> 00:33:06,899
I'm sorry wonderful uh question Mr

808
00:33:13,310 --> 00:33:08,580
smithist and

809
00:33:17,149 --> 00:33:13,320
Davey the implications of it all being

810
00:33:19,310 --> 00:33:17,159
connected I'd love to think it was I

811
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:19,320
doubt it very much other than they're

812
00:33:24,889 --> 00:33:21,779
all pushing for the same ultimate

813
00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:24,899
objective and it takes me back to the

814
00:33:29,269 --> 00:33:27,179
December 1960 document by The Brookings

815
00:33:33,769 --> 00:33:29,279
Institute

816
00:33:35,930 --> 00:33:33,779
um the study perceives stature on the

817
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:35,940
implications of peaceful actions for

818
00:33:40,009 --> 00:33:37,919
human Affairs in space

819
00:33:41,810 --> 00:33:40,019
and the last two pages the implications

820
00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:41,820
of the discovery of extraterrestrial

821
00:33:47,330 --> 00:33:44,220
life where they talked about exactly

822
00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:47,340
what Chris referred to there and this

823
00:33:51,110 --> 00:33:49,620
need for public education and the public

824
00:33:52,909 --> 00:33:51,120
wasn't ready and it would have to be

825
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:52,919
slow drip and it would have to be stage

826
00:33:57,950 --> 00:33:54,659
by stage so

827
00:34:00,830 --> 00:33:57,960
maybe maybe it has been going since 1960

828
00:34:03,169 --> 00:34:00,840
this plan this program I would love to

829
00:34:06,370 --> 00:34:03,179
think it had but I really don't think

830
00:34:08,869 --> 00:34:06,380
anything in this world is that organized

831
00:34:11,570 --> 00:34:08,879
I want to say your mustache and goatee

832
00:34:13,129 --> 00:34:11,580
program is really going well I think at

833
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:13,139
the moment you've gone from Heathcliff

834
00:34:17,810 --> 00:34:16,080
to this new look and I'm I'm in favor I

835
00:34:19,730 --> 00:34:17,820
like it Nathan's like Connie's naughty

836
00:34:22,089 --> 00:34:19,740
he's heading and you know he's sort of

837
00:34:24,169 --> 00:34:22,099
agreeing with this beautiful

838
00:34:26,810 --> 00:34:24,179
me and Vinnie are both growing the

839
00:34:31,450 --> 00:34:26,820
mustaches for movember as well so I love

840
00:34:36,349 --> 00:34:34,369
yeah no this is a great question Dave I

841
00:34:39,290 --> 00:34:36,359
think uh you know the the charitable

842
00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:39,300
interpretation is that yes they are uh

843
00:34:43,909 --> 00:34:41,220
linked and will be influenced by one

844
00:34:47,270 --> 00:34:43,919
another if not directly then I think at

845
00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:47,280
least uh through a process of addition

846
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,820
you know that there's a benefit a

847
00:34:55,669 --> 00:34:53,040
um you know kind of a snowballing effect

848
00:34:57,410 --> 00:34:55,679
if you will that occurs uh when one

849
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:57,420
thing happens and then the others kind

850
00:35:01,970 --> 00:34:59,760
of come on board in particular I think

851
00:35:03,770 --> 00:35:01,980
about this with related relation to the

852
00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:03,780
Whistleblower aspect of it so we've got

853
00:35:07,550 --> 00:35:06,000
some who are ready to step forward who

854
00:35:09,530 --> 00:35:07,560
are arguably more comfortable in doing

855
00:35:11,810 --> 00:35:09,540
so maybe have done a little bit thus far

856
00:35:13,609 --> 00:35:11,820
these are names that we probably can can

857
00:35:15,710 --> 00:35:13,619
already talk about and people that we

858
00:35:17,810 --> 00:35:15,720
know and then there are those who are

859
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:17,820
what I would call the brave uh or the

860
00:35:22,010 --> 00:35:19,680
foolish uh independent how you look at

861
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:22,020
it who are going to step forward and

862
00:35:27,290 --> 00:35:25,500
throw their uh sort of uh wait behind it

863
00:35:28,490 --> 00:35:27,300
and and damn the consequences and we're

864
00:35:30,829 --> 00:35:28,500
gonna have to find out how that works

865
00:35:33,770 --> 00:35:30,839
but I think one way or the other anybody

866
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:33,780
coming forward will only introduce not

867
00:35:39,170 --> 00:35:36,000
only new facts but new questions and new

868
00:35:41,770 --> 00:35:39,180
areas of inquiry and that then then just

869
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:41,780
further adds to this issue of Heart of

870
00:35:46,430 --> 00:35:44,160
making it very difficult to put this

871
00:35:48,650 --> 00:35:46,440
toothpaste back in the tube

872
00:35:50,630 --> 00:35:48,660
um now I will want to point out to folks

873
00:35:53,270 --> 00:35:50,640
this is incredibly complicated this knot

874
00:35:55,370 --> 00:35:53,280
is not only Tangled but it's old and

875
00:35:58,310 --> 00:35:55,380
it's crusted over there's a lot to

876
00:36:00,530 --> 00:35:58,320
really deal with here and I don't think

877
00:36:03,530 --> 00:36:00,540
that anybody really has a full picture

878
00:36:04,970 --> 00:36:03,540
of what it all means and so I I think

879
00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:04,980
that's an argument in favor of doing

880
00:36:11,089 --> 00:36:07,980
this very slowly very carefully and with

881
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:11,099
some real real deliberation so I'm not a

882
00:36:15,050 --> 00:36:12,359
opposed to

883
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,060
uh hearings but private hearings and you

884
00:36:19,490 --> 00:36:17,040
know for lawmakers to try to really get

885
00:36:21,470 --> 00:36:19,500
their arms around this not only as uh

886
00:36:23,870 --> 00:36:21,480
you know with each other but also with

887
00:36:25,310 --> 00:36:23,880
really some thoughtful uh academics and

888
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:25,320
those who've been working closely with

889
00:36:29,030 --> 00:36:27,420
this for for very very long so because I

890
00:36:31,550 --> 00:36:29,040
think it's going to take a very big

891
00:36:35,270 --> 00:36:31,560
group of people uh to kind of solve this

892
00:36:39,470 --> 00:36:37,849
I want to say uh

893
00:36:42,230 --> 00:36:39,480
Chad I hadn't got to speak with you

894
00:36:44,930 --> 00:36:42,240
since that one uh stream yard chat we

895
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:44,940
had with Vinnie but welcome Bienvenidos

896
00:36:50,030 --> 00:36:48,000
and um man this is a great topic but let

897
00:36:54,589 --> 00:36:50,040
me give it over to uh Debs first the

898
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:58,730
who are you okay

899
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:01,970
um so I I just really I really wanted to

900
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:03,720
chime in that

901
00:37:07,730 --> 00:37:05,520
whatever you know I agree with some of

902
00:37:09,410 --> 00:37:07,740
the things that were said but I also

903
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:09,420
have a concern that people are like

904
00:37:12,710 --> 00:37:11,280
hedging their bets like they're putting

905
00:37:16,130 --> 00:37:12,720
all these things in place so they're

906
00:37:18,650 --> 00:37:16,140
covering all the bases you know so like

907
00:37:20,569 --> 00:37:18,660
the foreign governments are starting to

908
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:20,579
take care of some things in case we

909
00:37:27,230 --> 00:37:24,359
stopped doing this or NASA's getting in

910
00:37:28,490 --> 00:37:27,240
place in case the Whistleblower act

911
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:28,500
doesn't go through or something like

912
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:30,180
that it just it's a suspicion that

913
00:37:33,710 --> 00:37:31,740
that's a possibility that they're

914
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:33,720
getting everything on base because

915
00:37:39,950 --> 00:37:36,960
everyone is indicating that this

916
00:37:41,750 --> 00:37:39,960
activity is increasing and becoming more

917
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:41,760
concerning and something needs to be

918
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:43,320
done

919
00:37:48,050 --> 00:37:45,359
that's my two cents

920
00:37:50,089 --> 00:37:48,060
thank you Debs thank you

921
00:37:52,490 --> 00:37:50,099
yeah I appreciate it thank you thank you

922
00:37:54,589 --> 00:37:52,500
for I'm glad we figured out a way to

923
00:37:58,370 --> 00:37:54,599
make technically get everybody in here I

924
00:37:59,870 --> 00:37:58,380
I think that um the actions of the

925
00:38:02,750 --> 00:37:59,880
Christopher

926
00:38:04,790 --> 00:38:02,760
um melons and the Luis elizondo's of the

927
00:38:07,310 --> 00:38:04,800
world are the ones that forced their

928
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:07,320
hand in terms of this

929
00:38:12,050 --> 00:38:10,800
um this uh amnesty and I think it's a

930
00:38:13,550 --> 00:38:12,060
direct result of that I don't

931
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:13,560
necessarily think it's connected I

932
00:38:18,770 --> 00:38:15,720
believe that they forced their hand you

933
00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:18,780
have younger legislators here who were

934
00:38:23,930 --> 00:38:21,660
not you know talking about uh Jilla

935
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:23,940
brand Rubio and then the associated

936
00:38:30,230 --> 00:38:26,700
Congress uh women and men

937
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:30,240
that were not read in on this but uh as

938
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:32,760
a result of what they've done they've

939
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,740
sort of forced their hand to where they

940
00:38:38,630 --> 00:38:36,240
said we want to hear from these people

941
00:38:40,069 --> 00:38:38,640
and in order to get some people to come

942
00:38:41,930 --> 00:38:40,079
forward we're gonna have to do X and

943
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:41,940
it's just uh happens to be to our

944
00:38:46,790 --> 00:38:44,040
benefit uh that that's happened but I

945
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:46,800
think it's to the Chagrin of the folks

946
00:38:51,190 --> 00:38:49,920
that are have in mind to keep this under

947
00:38:55,069 --> 00:38:51,200
wraps

948
00:38:57,829 --> 00:38:55,079
uh I.E the dod Etc

949
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:57,839
but great topic David

950
00:39:02,569 --> 00:38:59,760
um if I got that right did I answer that

951
00:39:05,329 --> 00:39:02,579
did I answer what the question was

952
00:39:08,329 --> 00:39:05,339
you did indeed okay because I was typing

953
00:39:10,730 --> 00:39:08,339
to a mystery guest uh during when you

954
00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:10,740
were uh bringing the topic forth and I

955
00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:13,380
wanted uh so

956
00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:16,619
um no the person who's backstage you're

957
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:18,780
you're not in the uh you're not in the

958
00:39:21,770 --> 00:39:19,920
wrong spot

959
00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:21,780
um the other mystery guest is coming on

960
00:39:25,790 --> 00:39:23,220
for this group you're for the next one

961
00:39:27,650 --> 00:39:25,800
but right now we have enough to fit two

962
00:39:28,670 --> 00:39:27,660
people in there by my mathematics so

963
00:39:33,650 --> 00:39:28,680
we're okay

964
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,660
okay all right uh the next topic

965
00:39:39,890 --> 00:39:35,280
looking at what I'm looking at right

966
00:39:44,329 --> 00:39:42,230
where's those diligent symbols oh my God

967
00:39:46,250 --> 00:39:44,339
Frank sorry if I had pressed the wrong

968
00:39:47,930 --> 00:39:46,260
button don't worry I'm still here it's

969
00:39:49,069 --> 00:39:47,940
all good

970
00:39:51,470 --> 00:39:49,079
um yeah so actually this actually

971
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:51,480
follows on quite nicely from from um

972
00:39:55,310 --> 00:39:53,940
Dave's uh Dave's question there and it's

973
00:39:56,569 --> 00:39:55,320
an interesting one that day but I'll

974
00:39:58,849 --> 00:39:56,579
send you a signal message about that

975
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:58,859
tomorrow to uh to go into your one a

976
00:40:02,569 --> 00:40:00,300
little bit further

977
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,579
um but what I was going to uh talk about

978
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,800
was specifically kind of zeroing in on

979
00:40:09,530 --> 00:40:07,440
on the whistleblowers aspect

980
00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,540
um and obviously there's been a lot of

981
00:40:13,370 --> 00:40:11,760
talk about that and you know this talk

982
00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:13,380
about whistleblowers coming forward to

983
00:40:18,650 --> 00:40:16,140
reveal details of these uh top secret

984
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,660
government UFO programs which have you

985
00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:20,400
know been operating outside of this

986
00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:22,020
congressional oversight for a long time

987
00:40:25,849 --> 00:40:23,940
you know and

988
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,859
it's kind of unclear at this stage as to

989
00:40:30,290 --> 00:40:28,079
whether the public will actually get to

990
00:40:32,450 --> 00:40:30,300
hear about any of the details that do

991
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:32,460
get revealed by these whistleblowers or

992
00:40:35,569 --> 00:40:34,200
whether it'll all be in enclosed

993
00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:35,579
earrings Etc

994
00:40:40,069 --> 00:40:37,560
and if all of this talk about

995
00:40:41,630 --> 00:40:40,079
whistleblowers you know is accurate as

996
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:41,640
it appears to be because it's coming

997
00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:43,500
from pretty credible sources and and

998
00:40:47,569 --> 00:40:45,960
quite a few credible sources as well and

999
00:40:49,849 --> 00:40:47,579
the whistleblowers do come forward to

1000
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:49,859
Congress in the near future what do we

1001
00:40:54,650 --> 00:40:52,079
think that the public will actually get

1002
00:40:57,109 --> 00:40:54,660
to find out about what the extent you

1003
00:40:59,990 --> 00:40:57,119
know is known about our materials held

1004
00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,000
by these programs could it end up being

1005
00:41:04,370 --> 00:41:02,000
more of a kind of official

1006
00:41:06,349 --> 00:41:04,380
acknowledgment that UFOs are real like

1007
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:06,359
even more so than the sort of already is

1008
00:41:11,329 --> 00:41:09,180
you know or would it be a case of you

1009
00:41:13,370 --> 00:41:11,339
know we've got like HD videos and

1010
00:41:15,050 --> 00:41:13,380
crashing materials but we start to keep

1011
00:41:17,630 --> 00:41:15,060
all of the you know what we understand

1012
00:41:20,030 --> 00:41:17,640
about that locked up for national

1013
00:41:21,530 --> 00:41:20,040
security reasons or are we going to see

1014
00:41:23,569 --> 00:41:21,540
some actual you know genuine

1015
00:41:25,730 --> 00:41:23,579
transparency with the public in terms of

1016
00:41:28,430 --> 00:41:25,740
specific details about what extent of

1017
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,440
materials is held and what actual photo

1018
00:41:31,849 --> 00:41:30,480
our video evidence or what's been

1019
00:41:33,530 --> 00:41:31,859
captured on sensor systems like

1020
00:41:35,089 --> 00:41:33,540
basically how much of that will actually

1021
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:35,099
trickle down to the public if these

1022
00:41:39,470 --> 00:41:37,500
whistleblowers do come forward

1023
00:41:41,089 --> 00:41:39,480
to keep in order let's we'll go back

1024
00:41:42,589 --> 00:41:41,099
with Dave we'll go to Christopher and

1025
00:41:45,290 --> 00:41:42,599
we'll go to Davey and we'll try to try

1026
00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:45,300
to keep that order if we can

1027
00:41:50,210 --> 00:41:46,680
um go ahead

1028
00:41:52,130 --> 00:41:50,220
um uh Christopher excuse me uh hi

1029
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:52,140
Christopher please oh no Dave I'm sorry

1030
00:41:56,210 --> 00:41:54,240
go ahead Dave yeah yeah I think there's

1031
00:41:57,470 --> 00:41:56,220
four things with that I'll try to just

1032
00:41:59,390 --> 00:41:57,480
be quick because obviously we need to

1033
00:42:00,890 --> 00:41:59,400
get through all this but uh I think

1034
00:42:02,690 --> 00:42:00,900
there's four hierarchies of information

1035
00:42:06,170 --> 00:42:02,700
the fact that the real

1036
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:06,180
then then there's the fact of uh their

1037
00:42:10,670 --> 00:42:08,160
existence then there's the facts of the

1038
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:10,680
I.E the nuts and bolts crash retrieval

1039
00:42:14,390 --> 00:42:12,839
bodies that sort of thing then there's

1040
00:42:15,890 --> 00:42:14,400
the fact as if they've been contacting

1041
00:42:17,630 --> 00:42:15,900
what sort of deal and then there's the

1042
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:17,640
nature of our existence in reality and

1043
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:18,780
out of four

1044
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,280
for me really simplifying it of what

1045
00:42:29,329 --> 00:42:25,680
could be revealed and I think that the

1046
00:42:31,550 --> 00:42:29,339
disclosure train will stop at uh

1047
00:42:33,950 --> 00:42:31,560
probably just below the sort of bodies

1048
00:42:35,870 --> 00:42:33,960
and certainly not past the recovered

1049
00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:35,880
crafting bodies I don't think it'll get

1050
00:42:40,310 --> 00:42:38,099
into any contacts and certainly not into

1051
00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,320
this nature of reality and it's

1052
00:42:44,210 --> 00:42:42,000
interesting there's pressure

1053
00:42:46,310 --> 00:42:44,220
coming with him in the field about the

1054
00:42:49,010 --> 00:42:46,320
experience of field and the other things

1055
00:42:50,390 --> 00:42:49,020
as legitimate pressure coming there and

1056
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:50,400
there's this sort of an easy thing about

1057
00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:51,839
we can't go on too much about that

1058
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:53,880
because it'll shock the public so I

1059
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:56,640
think we might see it land just below

1060
00:43:00,650 --> 00:42:58,440
where I think the rubber hits the road

1061
00:43:01,970 --> 00:43:00,660
which is a retrieve craft so that's

1062
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:01,980
means

1063
00:43:07,550 --> 00:43:04,980
wow just below that

1064
00:43:09,470 --> 00:43:07,560
yeah and maybe but I thought well it may

1065
00:43:11,329 --> 00:43:09,480
be that the way it's going they've got

1066
00:43:13,130 --> 00:43:11,339
these whistleblowers are gonna talk

1067
00:43:15,650 --> 00:43:13,140
about the stuff they've been talking

1068
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:15,660
about so if I can revise my answer I

1069
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:19,020
think it may well be uh yeah uh about

1070
00:43:22,490 --> 00:43:21,420
craft and what they've worked on but I

1071
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,500
don't think it's going to go much

1072
00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:24,000
further but I don't know if they can

1073
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,040
just be able to stop it it's really

1074
00:43:30,770 --> 00:43:28,319
really interesting that for

1075
00:43:32,510 --> 00:43:30,780
clarification Dave does that mean reveal

1076
00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:32,520
to the public or in closed session oh

1077
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,440
yeah no I I meant I was talking about

1078
00:43:37,670 --> 00:43:36,240
the public I think that he's probably

1079
00:43:39,050 --> 00:43:37,680
gonna go I don't think they'll go much

1080
00:43:41,809 --> 00:43:39,060
further in the craft though even when

1081
00:43:44,329 --> 00:43:41,819
the Senators I think that Dale's fingers

1082
00:43:47,450 --> 00:43:44,339
I mean I don't know if that's true and

1083
00:43:49,150 --> 00:43:47,460
certainly the nature of reality yeah you

1084
00:43:52,849 --> 00:43:49,160
know that's all you know

1085
00:43:55,849 --> 00:43:52,859
nature reality and my hierarchy and my

1086
00:43:58,670 --> 00:43:55,859
sort of hierarchy of things you know

1087
00:44:01,069 --> 00:43:58,680
curse of her Sharp

1088
00:44:02,750 --> 00:44:01,079
once the first Domino Falls it's going

1089
00:44:05,569 --> 00:44:02,760
to be very very difficult

1090
00:44:06,650 --> 00:44:05,579
for The Gatekeepers to

1091
00:44:09,530 --> 00:44:06,660
um control

1092
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,540
what what's going going on and the

1093
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:11,520
narrative to some extent from my

1094
00:44:15,770 --> 00:44:13,200
understanding

1095
00:44:18,530 --> 00:44:15,780
um there are there is a tidal wave of

1096
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:18,540
um whistleblowers really speak out

1097
00:44:24,550 --> 00:44:21,660
many not tidal wave

1098
00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:24,560
correct yes Japanese tsunami

1099
00:44:30,109 --> 00:44:27,060
it's it's gonna let's see it will be hot

1100
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:30,119
we'll have a potential tsunami effect

1101
00:44:33,890 --> 00:44:32,400
and the way that's going to come forward

1102
00:44:36,410 --> 00:44:33,900
is that you're going to get the National

1103
00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:36,420
Defense authorization at

1104
00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:38,700
um with that IAA language coupled with

1105
00:44:43,190 --> 00:44:39,540
it

1106
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:43,200
will then have a method for those

1107
00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:44,400
whistleblowers to officially come

1108
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:45,960
forwards through

1109
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:47,880
um Arrow which will soon be renamed into

1110
00:44:53,870 --> 00:44:49,920
the UAP jpo

1111
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:53,880
um during program office and um

1112
00:44:59,030 --> 00:44:56,880
they'll have to find some way of getting

1113
00:45:00,829 --> 00:44:59,040
that information out now the hearings

1114
00:45:02,690 --> 00:45:00,839
from my understanding I think you might

1115
00:45:04,670 --> 00:45:02,700
just have to start from base point with

1116
00:45:06,430 --> 00:45:04,680
the Nimitz and other accounters saying

1117
00:45:09,050 --> 00:45:06,440
look these are not Chinese drones

1118
00:45:10,250 --> 00:45:09,060
educate the public what is what has

1119
00:45:12,290 --> 00:45:10,260
actually happened and stuff on the

1120
00:45:14,210 --> 00:45:12,300
capability of the capabilities of these

1121
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:14,220
kind of scarcity you may get favor and

1122
00:45:19,309 --> 00:45:16,380
people like that perhaps testifying

1123
00:45:21,470 --> 00:45:19,319
um Louis zando melon and they'll be able

1124
00:45:24,829 --> 00:45:21,480
to transition it to

1125
00:45:27,170 --> 00:45:24,839
um I think a crash of treble

1126
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:27,180
um and reverse engineering stuff

1127
00:45:31,190 --> 00:45:29,640
um but think thinking from a pragmatic

1128
00:45:33,349 --> 00:45:31,200
sense

1129
00:45:36,829 --> 00:45:33,359
um I think it is in the best interest of

1130
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,839
Congress to get this information out

1131
00:45:41,030 --> 00:45:39,359
um yes we have been reverse engineer or

1132
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:41,040
the Americans being reverse engineering

1133
00:45:44,089 --> 00:45:43,440
the staff for decades now

1134
00:45:46,490 --> 00:45:44,099
um

1135
00:45:49,490 --> 00:45:46,500
and it's in the best interests of

1136
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:49,500
Congress to get information out to the

1137
00:45:52,609 --> 00:45:51,240
public and commercialize to some extent

1138
00:45:54,050 --> 00:45:52,619
where they can

1139
00:45:55,730 --> 00:45:54,060
um that makes perfect sense at this

1140
00:45:57,710 --> 00:45:55,740
moment but also I think on the stuff

1141
00:46:00,589 --> 00:45:57,720
that they can't understand I think we

1142
00:46:02,750 --> 00:46:00,599
need to make that public and have cut

1143
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:02,760
some kind of like Apollo Mission or

1144
00:46:07,130 --> 00:46:05,520
Manhattan Project bring lots and lots of

1145
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:07,140
scientists and engineers in to help

1146
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:09,599
solve this problem so from a pragmatic

1147
00:46:14,510 --> 00:46:12,780
sense I think it makes sense to reveal

1148
00:46:18,770 --> 00:46:14,520
as much

1149
00:46:20,210 --> 00:46:18,780
um as is viable really to kind of get

1150
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,220
the mission done

1151
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:21,839
I want to say I agree with you

1152
00:46:26,569 --> 00:46:23,520
Christopher I think they should have

1153
00:46:28,430 --> 00:46:26,579
t-shirt vendors uh on the steps of of

1154
00:46:30,890 --> 00:46:28,440
the Capitol where it says like

1155
00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:30,900
disclosure happen here and then on each

1156
00:46:34,190 --> 00:46:32,640
Corner look like a tour shirt like a

1157
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:34,200
zeppelin torture and they'll say

1158
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:37,500
gillibrand Rubio and then Gallego

1159
00:46:41,630 --> 00:46:39,480
burchett at the bottom you know like

1160
00:46:43,130 --> 00:46:41,640
they should have tour shirts you know

1161
00:46:45,230 --> 00:46:43,140
done and just having you know selling

1162
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,240
them you know like 20 bucks a pop you

1163
00:46:49,010 --> 00:46:46,800
know right Nathan you could have push

1164
00:46:51,950 --> 00:46:49,020
carts all around the capitol

1165
00:46:53,690 --> 00:46:51,960
great opportunity there yeah yeah they

1166
00:46:56,569 --> 00:46:53,700
should have Congressional disclosure

1167
00:46:59,150 --> 00:46:56,579
concert shirts all proceeds going to

1168
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:59,160
those four uh those four uh Congress

1169
00:47:05,210 --> 00:47:02,400
people so yeah I'm with you

1170
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,220
um anyway uh let's go get on with uh

1171
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:06,960
Davey Johnston the last person on this

1172
00:47:12,650 --> 00:47:11,569
thanks for the question Frank absolutely

1173
00:47:15,109 --> 00:47:12,660
brilliant mate

1174
00:47:16,910 --> 00:47:15,119
um and

1175
00:47:19,069 --> 00:47:16,920
Christopher dropping knowledge bombs

1176
00:47:22,550 --> 00:47:19,079
that none of us can keep up with I mean

1177
00:47:24,410 --> 00:47:22,560
blimey or highly Insider brother

1178
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:24,420
hey

1179
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,440
um and Dave I absolutely love your 40s

1180
00:47:34,190 --> 00:47:31,440
those four levels that's they mirror

1181
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:34,200
how I've laid this out in my own head as

1182
00:47:39,349 --> 00:47:37,200
well and I'm inclined to believe

1183
00:47:41,270 --> 00:47:39,359
I'll expect that just like you they'll

1184
00:47:43,250 --> 00:47:41,280
go right up to that point and say yep we

1185
00:47:45,950 --> 00:47:43,260
have recovered materials

1186
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,960
I don't expect them to talk about

1187
00:47:50,809 --> 00:47:48,480
genetic or biological material yet I

1188
00:47:54,050 --> 00:47:50,819
think they will do in some time

1189
00:47:56,089 --> 00:47:54,060
but what worries me about this are the

1190
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,099
commercial implications of this

1191
00:47:59,089 --> 00:47:57,839
there are people who've had this

1192
00:48:02,870 --> 00:47:59,099
knowledge who've had this information

1193
00:48:03,950 --> 00:48:02,880
it's given them commercial advantage

1194
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:03,960
um

1195
00:48:08,089 --> 00:48:06,119
and I mean the US isn't a particularly

1196
00:48:10,390 --> 00:48:08,099
litigious country is it

1197
00:48:12,970 --> 00:48:10,400
oh no wait a minute

1198
00:48:17,089 --> 00:48:12,980
the only people I can see

1199
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:17,099
benefiting from this are the lawyers and

1200
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:18,420
that's where your little point there

1201
00:48:24,290 --> 00:48:20,819
Christopher about actually bringing in

1202
00:48:25,670 --> 00:48:24,300
people to from outside to try and break

1203
00:48:27,829 --> 00:48:25,680
down the stuff that we can't understand

1204
00:48:28,849 --> 00:48:27,839
that would be and commercialize what we

1205
00:48:31,550 --> 00:48:28,859
already have

1206
00:48:35,210 --> 00:48:31,560
yeah that's the dream I I just worry

1207
00:48:37,069 --> 00:48:35,220
that the the way the the the industry

1208
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:37,079
let's say you set up may prevent that

1209
00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:45,230
yeah great response I don't know what

1210
00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:47,400
happened to DJ he'll be back I'm sure

1211
00:48:52,490 --> 00:48:50,339
um so I uh I want to jump in on my sort

1212
00:48:54,589 --> 00:48:52,500
of take on this as well I think

1213
00:48:55,970 --> 00:48:54,599
um you know it's really interesting to

1214
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:55,980
me because and I've talked about this

1215
00:49:00,530 --> 00:48:58,020
before in uh in some of my social media

1216
00:49:02,450 --> 00:49:00,540
posts but the way I look at this is that

1217
00:49:06,410 --> 00:49:02,460
it's a song and a dance it's a it's a

1218
00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:06,420
call and response that um when certain

1219
00:49:11,569 --> 00:49:09,420
facts are disclosed at a tier at a

1220
00:49:13,809 --> 00:49:11,579
public tier of awareness then that

1221
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:13,819
legitimizes other

1222
00:49:19,309 --> 00:49:17,400
facts to kind of respond in kind so I

1223
00:49:20,329 --> 00:49:19,319
think if we're if we're going as far as

1224
00:49:23,089 --> 00:49:20,339
saying

1225
00:49:25,130 --> 00:49:23,099
the real we have recovered you know we

1226
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:25,140
haven't covered crashes we're reverse

1227
00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:26,940
engineering that then that opens up

1228
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,060
space for those who had very personal

1229
00:49:33,410 --> 00:49:31,920
encounters and we all know the

1230
00:49:34,370 --> 00:49:33,420
experience or Community here is what I'm

1231
00:49:36,290 --> 00:49:34,380
talking about

1232
00:49:38,450 --> 00:49:36,300
for them to say okay well what about us

1233
00:49:40,490 --> 00:49:38,460
you know like you've now said that

1234
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:40,500
they're real we're going to go there

1235
00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:43,200
we're we are coming forward and saying

1236
00:49:48,410 --> 00:49:45,300
that we have had Direct contact with

1237
00:49:50,569 --> 00:49:48,420
whatever these things are and I think uh

1238
00:49:51,710 --> 00:49:50,579
you know it doesn't necessarily mean

1239
00:49:54,010 --> 00:49:51,720
that we're going to get immediate

1240
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:54,020
legitimacy on that but I think it does

1241
00:49:59,589 --> 00:49:57,060
allow for that conversation to move

1242
00:50:03,050 --> 00:49:59,599
forward in a far more legitimate Manner

1243
00:50:05,329 --> 00:50:03,060
and I think the world is probably more

1244
00:50:07,130 --> 00:50:05,339
ready for that than we might think at

1245
00:50:09,890 --> 00:50:07,140
least I hope so because

1246
00:50:12,109 --> 00:50:09,900
um my feeling on this is that it this

1247
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:12,119
really isn't a a matter of just sort of

1248
00:50:16,010 --> 00:50:14,220
scratching a technological itch here and

1249
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:16,020
learning what kind of gee whiz stuff we

1250
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:18,599
can learn from whoever these beings are

1251
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:21,900
this is a much grander uh you know sort

1252
00:50:28,370 --> 00:50:25,440
of ultimate issue of who we are and uh

1253
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:28,380
what is this all about and what is our

1254
00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:30,599
journey what is their Journey it's not

1255
00:50:34,730 --> 00:50:32,579
just about you know oh we encountered

1256
00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:34,740
some beings from some other star system

1257
00:50:37,849 --> 00:50:36,359
and they have you know thousands of

1258
00:50:39,890 --> 00:50:37,859
years ahead of us on the on the tech

1259
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:39,900
tree I don't think it's that that simple

1260
00:50:45,050 --> 00:50:43,140
and so it is a part of it but uh I think

1261
00:50:48,349 --> 00:50:45,060
it would be a mistake for us to fixate

1262
00:50:50,930 --> 00:50:48,359
solely on that and my gut feeling is

1263
00:50:53,089 --> 00:50:50,940
that our world probably would

1264
00:50:55,130 --> 00:50:53,099
um that we would really lean into how do

1265
00:50:57,170 --> 00:50:55,140
we take advantage of this how do we

1266
00:50:59,329 --> 00:50:57,180
corporatize this

1267
00:51:01,490 --> 00:50:59,339
um and and I don't think that's really

1268
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:01,500
worked out for us that well

1269
00:51:06,049 --> 00:51:04,020
um thus far you know we've become very

1270
00:51:08,450 --> 00:51:06,059
technologied and we've not really

1271
00:51:10,490 --> 00:51:08,460
developed our uh you know kind of our

1272
00:51:11,690 --> 00:51:10,500
inner Technologies if you will and I

1273
00:51:13,670 --> 00:51:11,700
think that's probably something we need

1274
00:51:15,710 --> 00:51:13,680
to be focusing on so that we have the

1275
00:51:17,990 --> 00:51:15,720
responsibility the maturity the wisdom

1276
00:51:19,730 --> 00:51:18,000
to be able to deal with what this

1277
00:51:21,950 --> 00:51:19,740
knowledge entails

1278
00:51:24,410 --> 00:51:21,960
then this reflects the journey that you

1279
00:51:25,849 --> 00:51:24,420
yourself are on right now is to develop

1280
00:51:27,890 --> 00:51:25,859
that inner

1281
00:51:29,390 --> 00:51:27,900
um so I I'm taking from your commentary

1282
00:51:31,490 --> 00:51:29,400
that you don't think that we should

1283
00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:31,500
monetize those t-shirts outside the

1284
00:51:34,970 --> 00:51:33,720
capitol yeah it's a good it's a good

1285
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:34,980
point yeah maybe we'll have some free

1286
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:36,720
ones you know as well all right all

1287
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,400
right yeah maybe they're you know maybe

1288
00:51:42,049 --> 00:51:40,319
these guys will Pony up and and just

1289
00:51:43,549 --> 00:51:42,059
give those t-shirts out that would be

1290
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:43,559
great man because you're already paying

1291
00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:45,420
these people a lot and I think six years

1292
00:51:51,349 --> 00:51:47,880
and they get a full retirement

1293
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:51,359
um but anyway

1294
00:51:55,870 --> 00:51:54,079
um so let's see who's next so that one

1295
00:51:58,690 --> 00:51:55,880
that's me

1296
00:52:01,790 --> 00:51:58,700
yes yes ma'am

1297
00:52:03,829 --> 00:52:01,800
I think we're Full Stop on learning a

1298
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,839
lot about the technology honestly I

1299
00:52:07,790 --> 00:52:05,520
think they're just not that's where

1300
00:52:09,589 --> 00:52:07,800
things get

1301
00:52:12,530 --> 00:52:09,599
um hair raising so to speak with this

1302
00:52:14,510 --> 00:52:12,540
topic they really watch people who

1303
00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:14,520
studied that aspect

1304
00:52:19,010 --> 00:52:17,220
um and I think that they're not going to

1305
00:52:22,130 --> 00:52:19,020
want to share that at all

1306
00:52:25,130 --> 00:52:22,140
um and I know for instance if we had

1307
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,140
that now some of that technology we

1308
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:27,359
wouldn't be you know begging for energy

1309
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:29,400
from other people in other countries

1310
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,400
right so there's there's a

1311
00:52:36,589 --> 00:52:34,559
possibility that we're going to get to

1312
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:36,599
experiencers I think because I think

1313
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:38,400
we've heard a lot of people talk about

1314
00:52:43,490 --> 00:52:40,260
it who have come forward and mentioned

1315
00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:43,500
it but as far as the technology that's

1316
00:52:50,510 --> 00:52:49,010
thank you Debs

1317
00:52:52,430 --> 00:52:50,520
um you know I'm glad you said that about

1318
00:52:54,829 --> 00:52:52,440
experiencers because I feel like we

1319
00:52:59,270 --> 00:52:54,839
should that Congress you know we should

1320
00:53:00,890 --> 00:52:59,280
get uh on uh Capitol Hill we should get

1321
00:53:04,309 --> 00:53:00,900
um experiences that have been vetted

1322
00:53:08,210 --> 00:53:04,319
just normal civilians not necessarily a

1323
00:53:10,250 --> 00:53:08,220
military person with a pilot rating or

1324
00:53:12,109 --> 00:53:10,260
something or a sensor operator I think

1325
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,119
we should get some just people that have

1326
00:53:16,130 --> 00:53:14,640
been interviewed by various people and

1327
00:53:18,530 --> 00:53:16,140
have been deemed credible by whatever

1328
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:18,540
criteria they would apply to that and

1329
00:53:22,910 --> 00:53:20,160
then and then get those folks on I

1330
00:53:24,530 --> 00:53:22,920
really would like to to see something uh

1331
00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:24,540
like that

1332
00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:26,220
um what I'm going to do right now uh

1333
00:53:30,290 --> 00:53:28,140
because we're about five minutes four

1334
00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:30,300
minutes almost four minutes to the top

1335
00:53:35,210 --> 00:53:32,760
of the hour I'd like to bring in the

1336
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,220
mystery guest and then we'll continue on

1337
00:53:39,049 --> 00:53:36,960
and we'll let the rest of you get in

1338
00:53:42,770 --> 00:53:39,059
there so so with that let's bring him on

1339
00:53:46,309 --> 00:53:42,780
right now uh my man we lost him

1340
00:53:48,010 --> 00:53:46,319
what yeah he's not there oh my goodness

1341
00:53:50,990 --> 00:53:48,020
all right

1342
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:51,000
he was there it would have been amazing

1343
00:53:56,030 --> 00:53:53,280
but I don't know where he went

1344
00:53:57,710 --> 00:53:56,040
he's not there now all right mystery

1345
00:54:00,290 --> 00:53:57,720
guest number one if you're there because

1346
00:54:02,809 --> 00:54:00,300
mystery guest is back there too playing

1347
00:54:06,290 --> 00:54:02,819
playing with her hair but uh mystery

1348
00:54:11,870 --> 00:54:08,990
um mystery guess number one if you can

1349
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:11,880
get back in here uh sir we'll do that

1350
00:54:16,069 --> 00:54:14,160
but in the meantime let's go with uh

1351
00:54:17,950 --> 00:54:16,079
well actually everybody's put out their

1352
00:54:21,230 --> 00:54:17,960
topics so he's the only one no no no

1353
00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:21,240
that's right and he's back he's back now

1354
00:54:27,530 --> 00:54:24,420
do you want to bring one okay

1355
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:27,540
okay I didn't know David again okay

1356
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,960
um I'm waiting on his uh here we go here

1357
00:54:34,490 --> 00:54:32,160
we go yeah

1358
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,500
[Applause]

1359
00:54:38,809 --> 00:54:36,000
whoa

1360
00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:38,819
put your hands together for the hands

1361
00:54:42,770 --> 00:54:40,680
man put a smile on your face where are

1362
00:54:44,630 --> 00:54:42,780
you at I don't know if he can hear us

1363
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:44,640
how's it going Ash

1364
00:54:48,650 --> 00:54:46,440
he's gone

1365
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,660
and just like you can't hear us okay

1366
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,640
it's terrible when someone can't hear

1367
00:54:54,290 --> 00:54:52,559
Applause

1368
00:54:56,089 --> 00:54:54,300
um all right let's get today

1369
00:54:58,250 --> 00:54:56,099
all right yeah let's go ahead and get to

1370
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:58,260
Davey Johnston and then we'll bring him

1371
00:55:02,809 --> 00:55:00,960
on he's got to get himself sorted out

1372
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,819
perfect so Mike

1373
00:55:06,650 --> 00:55:04,319
question is something that's been

1374
00:55:07,549 --> 00:55:06,660
keeping me awake at night for years and

1375
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:07,559
years

1376
00:55:11,809 --> 00:55:09,780
so I want you all to hunker down

1377
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:11,819
take a deep breath

1378
00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:18,589
what vacuum cleaner should I buy

1379
00:55:21,589 --> 00:55:20,099
oh hang on a minute am I on the right

1380
00:55:24,109 --> 00:55:21,599
podcast

1381
00:55:26,150 --> 00:55:24,119
sorry guys these are the ultimate

1382
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,160
questions yeah I'll lot of people are

1383
00:55:31,069 --> 00:55:28,079
waiting for Vinnie's vacuum cleaner

1384
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:31,079
episode everybody just be patient we're

1385
00:55:33,530 --> 00:55:32,220
going to have that we're going to get to

1386
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,540
the Dyson we're going to get to the

1387
00:55:37,549 --> 00:55:35,760
shark Nathan I don't know if you have a

1388
00:55:39,770 --> 00:55:37,559
Bissell in mind we're going to get to it

1389
00:55:41,990 --> 00:55:39,780
so yeah be patient video here for that

1390
00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:42,000
episode all right go ahead

1391
00:55:48,530 --> 00:55:45,180
sorry construction back to the right

1392
00:55:49,849 --> 00:55:48,540
podcast okay good so this actually ties

1393
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,859
in really well with the the questions

1394
00:55:54,170 --> 00:55:52,319
we've had so far about the next stages

1395
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:54,180
of where we go with this

1396
00:55:58,430 --> 00:55:56,760
and I'm acutely aware that we I would

1397
00:56:00,290 --> 00:55:58,440
say we've had confirmation we are

1398
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,300
awaiting disclosure

1399
00:56:04,069 --> 00:56:02,400
we're moving towards gaining an

1400
00:56:05,870 --> 00:56:04,079
understanding of perhaps what this

1401
00:56:08,750 --> 00:56:05,880
phenomena is and certainly with things

1402
00:56:12,170 --> 00:56:08,760
like I sir The Whistleblower legislation

1403
00:56:14,690 --> 00:56:12,180
we should get a form of disclosure so my

1404
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:14,700
question would be

1405
00:56:19,130 --> 00:56:17,040
what's next

1406
00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:19,140
should we be going out and talking to

1407
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:22,260
the academics the theologians these

1408
00:56:26,109 --> 00:56:24,240
people who have been working on this I

1409
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:26,119
mean again I go back to that 1960

1410
00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:28,319
document from The Brookings Institute

1411
00:56:32,690 --> 00:56:30,180
they were looking at it then

1412
00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:32,700
they were bringing in experts in their

1413
00:56:36,950 --> 00:56:35,040
different fields to prepare this work

1414
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:36,960
and I know

1415
00:56:41,630 --> 00:56:40,140
Diana Walsh pasoka Gary Nolan aren't the

1416
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,640
only people who will have been involved

1417
00:56:45,290 --> 00:56:43,440
in this

1418
00:56:47,510 --> 00:56:45,300
is that the next step should we be going

1419
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:47,520
and talking to the the the leaders in

1420
00:56:51,650 --> 00:56:49,260
the industries in their fields in the

1421
00:56:55,790 --> 00:56:51,660
uni in the universities

1422
00:56:58,790 --> 00:56:55,800
I want to say before we pass it on what

1423
00:57:02,150 --> 00:56:58,800
you know I expected a brilliant question

1424
00:57:06,890 --> 00:57:04,370
and and this is a question that Nathan

1425
00:57:08,990 --> 00:57:06,900
asked on this show on I don't know how

1426
00:57:11,390 --> 00:57:09,000
many occasions right Nathan you've asked

1427
00:57:13,370 --> 00:57:11,400
this question yeah what's what's next

1428
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,380
it's no deal who who do we need to

1429
00:57:17,870 --> 00:57:15,839
engage with David Smathers

1430
00:57:19,970 --> 00:57:17,880
yeah don't forget have you done one

1431
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,980
Chris have you gone have you done one

1432
00:57:25,670 --> 00:57:21,599
yet

1433
00:57:27,950 --> 00:57:25,680
oh did we miss Christopher yeah right

1434
00:57:29,690 --> 00:57:27,960
um anyway boring one anyway so it's fine

1435
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:29,700
but yeah no we're gonna get you in there

1436
00:57:34,010 --> 00:57:32,460
go ahead well I do I think the uh the

1437
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,020
academics and all the rest of it have

1438
00:57:38,150 --> 00:57:36,240
proved themselves to be solely

1439
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:38,160
unreliable on this topic

1440
00:57:41,210 --> 00:57:39,900
so the only way and we need to be

1441
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,220
involved don't get me wrong we need

1442
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:43,440
their expertise we need that uh you know

1443
00:57:48,530 --> 00:57:47,160
that confirmation so I would uh re- I

1444
00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:48,540
will bake the panel that they were going

1445
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:50,099
to have in the original Gilly Branch

1446
00:57:54,049 --> 00:57:51,599
stuff but different people who were

1447
00:57:55,670 --> 00:57:54,059
knowledgeable the SCU all those

1448
00:57:57,589 --> 00:57:55,680
different people who they thought could

1449
00:58:00,650 --> 00:57:57,599
all give oversight to the original thing

1450
00:58:03,230 --> 00:58:00,660
and I would set up a big grant program

1451
00:58:05,150 --> 00:58:03,240
and I know for all the amount of the

1452
00:58:07,549 --> 00:58:05,160
reservations the academics and all the

1453
00:58:09,349 --> 00:58:07,559
other people but once you've got a large

1454
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,359
amount of large grant funding that

1455
00:58:13,549 --> 00:58:11,760
everybody's agreed by consensus then the

1456
00:58:17,210 --> 00:58:13,559
hearts and Minds may follow that money

1457
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:17,220
and that's what I do I fund it up set it

1458
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:20,400
up properly identify a proper sort of

1459
00:58:25,549 --> 00:58:23,520
range of topics going from issues around

1460
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:25,559
Consciousness and more sort of idea

1461
00:58:31,549 --> 00:58:27,599
breaking some more technical stuff

1462
00:58:33,650 --> 00:58:31,559
around power and I do that and I I'd

1463
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:33,660
Strat I think you'd have to put money

1464
00:58:38,510 --> 00:58:36,720
into it and structure it to make it

1465
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,520
happen I think if you trust the powers

1466
00:58:42,530 --> 00:58:40,319
that be you'll forget about it it'll be

1467
00:58:44,089 --> 00:58:42,540
there forever I mean look at Nasa Christ

1468
00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:44,099
they're just in a circling part and

1469
00:58:47,750 --> 00:58:45,960
doing nothing until something happens

1470
00:58:50,510 --> 00:58:47,760
you know and they're just a sort of

1471
00:58:52,130 --> 00:58:50,520
microcosm of the whole uh establishment

1472
00:58:53,390 --> 00:58:52,140
on this issue they haven't got the ball

1473
00:58:54,890 --> 00:58:53,400
to do it

1474
00:58:56,930 --> 00:58:54,900
I think you're saying it wrong because

1475
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,940
Christopher said Nasser so I think

1476
00:59:02,470 --> 00:58:59,040
there's an ER on the end of it that you

1477
00:59:06,589 --> 00:59:02,480
know something Nessa NASA yeah

1478
00:59:09,710 --> 00:59:06,599
marvelous oh yes all right

1479
00:59:11,690 --> 00:59:09,720
um all right so let's go with uh Frank

1480
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:11,700
Jones please

1481
00:59:17,089 --> 00:59:14,160
yeah well I mean I think what made me

1482
00:59:19,069 --> 00:59:17,099
think of that is is um something I've

1483
00:59:21,530 --> 00:59:19,079
kind of been forced to kind of bring

1484
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:21,540
into a bit more Focus recently uh which

1485
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,280
I'll come to in a minute but I think

1486
00:59:26,990 --> 00:59:24,960
basically it's just a case of getting

1487
00:59:28,370 --> 00:59:27,000
everybody on the same page again it sort

1488
00:59:29,690 --> 00:59:28,380
of links back to what Dave was talking

1489
00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:29,700
about earlier where there's so many

1490
00:59:34,370 --> 00:59:32,339
different you know prongs kind of

1491
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:34,380
prodding the same thing and and it's

1492
00:59:37,069 --> 00:59:35,520
just a case of trying to get everybody

1493
00:59:38,809 --> 00:59:37,079
to catch up with each other and that

1494
00:59:41,210 --> 00:59:38,819
kind of thing but in terms of like

1495
00:59:42,770 --> 00:59:41,220
something that's um what I was talking

1496
00:59:45,650 --> 00:59:42,780
about that I've had to kind of consider

1497
00:59:47,329 --> 00:59:45,660
a little bit more sometimes I I perhaps

1498
00:59:49,370 --> 00:59:47,339
think about this disclosure thing of

1499
00:59:52,190 --> 00:59:49,380
like an exciting Revelation and you know

1500
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,200
better videos and I want data and you

1501
00:59:56,329 --> 00:59:54,720
know I want kind of some confirmation of

1502
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:56,339
Crash retrievals and things like that

1503
01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:57,359
but

1504
01:00:03,530 --> 01:00:00,420
um when we were at the UFO identified

1505
01:00:05,329 --> 01:00:03,540
um Minicon a little while ago I spoke to

1506
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:05,339
some some pretty interesting people I

1507
01:00:09,650 --> 01:00:07,680
won't mention the names because uh they

1508
01:00:11,630 --> 01:00:09,660
don't want to actually uh you know step

1509
01:00:14,329 --> 01:00:11,640
into the public eye at the moment but

1510
01:00:17,329 --> 01:00:14,339
people who are very kind of credentialed

1511
01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:17,339
at top UK universities who are dealing

1512
01:00:23,510 --> 01:00:19,799
with the actual psychological impact of

1513
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:23,520
of what's going on on individuals and it

1514
01:00:26,690 --> 01:00:25,140
was also something that Whitley strieber

1515
01:00:28,609 --> 01:00:26,700
was talking about I think he was on that

1516
01:00:31,309 --> 01:00:28,619
UFO podcast a little while ago and it's

1517
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:31,319
like experiences are one of the

1518
01:00:35,390 --> 01:00:33,599
um the last remaining parts of society

1519
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:35,400
that you can ridicule for having an

1520
01:00:41,270 --> 01:00:38,160
extremely traumatic experience and uh

1521
01:00:42,950 --> 01:00:41,280
the the experts that I was speaking to

1522
01:00:45,650 --> 01:00:42,960
are trying to consider how to actually

1523
01:00:47,690 --> 01:00:45,660
help people who have been affected on a

1524
01:00:50,390 --> 01:00:47,700
very personal level by these you know

1525
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,400
life-changing like horrific experiences

1526
01:00:55,130 --> 01:00:52,799
and then what what whatever those

1527
01:00:57,829 --> 01:00:55,140
experiences actually represent you know

1528
01:00:58,910 --> 01:00:57,839
whatever reality that is whatever you

1529
01:01:00,770 --> 01:00:58,920
know whether you believe this

1530
01:01:02,450 --> 01:01:00,780
inter-dimensional or extraterrestrial

1531
01:01:04,910 --> 01:01:02,460
whatever hypothesis you want to you put

1532
01:01:07,130 --> 01:01:04,920
forward these things are massively

1533
01:01:09,289 --> 01:01:07,140
negatively affecting these people's

1534
01:01:10,670 --> 01:01:09,299
lives you know in a way that like they

1535
01:01:12,410 --> 01:01:10,680
can never recover from I mean some

1536
01:01:15,049 --> 01:01:12,420
people have positive experiences as well

1537
01:01:17,150 --> 01:01:15,059
but I think that is is is probably

1538
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:17,160
something that that I've kind of

1539
01:01:20,750 --> 01:01:18,960
realized that we need to really consider

1540
01:01:23,510 --> 01:01:20,760
more in terms of bringing those people

1541
01:01:26,569 --> 01:01:23,520
the experts in helping people heal you

1542
01:01:30,170 --> 01:01:26,579
know bringing them into the conversation

1543
01:01:33,230 --> 01:01:30,180
and to that end uh Debs has a uh

1544
01:01:36,770 --> 01:01:33,240
um I wanna if she can dab if you can pop

1545
01:01:38,930 --> 01:01:36,780
up real quick and just your UAP uh group

1546
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,940
that is in terms of mental health can

1547
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:41,280
you just talk about that real quick yeah

1548
01:01:46,730 --> 01:01:44,160
so Ted Rowe founded UAP medical

1549
01:01:49,490 --> 01:01:46,740
Coalition and a lot of people in the

1550
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:49,500
community have joined including someone

1551
01:01:56,210 --> 01:01:52,160
in this panel

1552
01:01:58,250 --> 01:01:56,220
and there is yes there's a forum

1553
01:01:59,990 --> 01:01:58,260
um for medical and mental health

1554
01:02:04,430 --> 01:02:00,000
professionals we're trying to find

1555
01:02:05,630 --> 01:02:04,440
evidence and data and prior research and

1556
01:02:07,910 --> 01:02:05,640
provide it

1557
01:02:09,770 --> 01:02:07,920
to the professionals so that they can

1558
01:02:11,690 --> 01:02:09,780
help experiencers and give proper

1559
01:02:13,789 --> 01:02:11,700
treatment

1560
01:02:16,730 --> 01:02:13,799
can I get an amen Deb is not only

1561
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:16,740
talking about what she's going to do but

1562
01:02:20,990 --> 01:02:18,480
she's actually out there doing something

1563
01:02:23,809 --> 01:02:21,000
and devoting her time and her training

1564
01:02:26,089 --> 01:02:23,819
and her education towards it so uh

1565
01:02:29,150 --> 01:02:26,099
obviously we're proud and honored to

1566
01:02:30,890 --> 01:02:29,160
have her as part of cab for that among

1567
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:30,900
other reasons that's right

1568
01:02:35,289 --> 01:02:32,880
um all right so we've gone to Mr Jones

1569
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:35,299
Mr shop

1570
01:02:42,349 --> 01:02:38,480
hey there uh

1571
01:02:44,990 --> 01:02:42,359
so so in terms of um I'm fine so

1572
01:02:48,589 --> 01:02:45,000
I'd say that the um intelligence

1573
01:02:50,990 --> 01:02:48,599
authorization act it does state that um

1574
01:02:53,089 --> 01:02:51,000
the new the new office will have to

1575
01:02:56,569 --> 01:02:53,099
coordinate with uh the National Science

1576
01:02:57,950 --> 01:02:56,579
Foundation which is really interesting

1577
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:57,960
um because

1578
01:03:02,089 --> 01:02:59,520
they they

1579
01:03:04,609 --> 01:03:02,099
um they're an independent agency

1580
01:03:07,069 --> 01:03:04,619
um you know and they conduct or support

1581
01:03:08,809 --> 01:03:07,079
research and education

1582
01:03:10,549 --> 01:03:08,819
um in non-medical fields of Science and

1583
01:03:12,530 --> 01:03:10,559
Engineering so I I thought that was

1584
01:03:13,910 --> 01:03:12,540
quite interesting and also there's

1585
01:03:16,309 --> 01:03:13,920
supposed to be a sign that there could

1586
01:03:18,170 --> 01:03:16,319
be a science plan as well

1587
01:03:20,150 --> 01:03:18,180
um to actually develop theories about

1588
01:03:21,349 --> 01:03:20,160
how these things work and I thought was

1589
01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:21,359
quite interesting as well in this

1590
01:03:24,049 --> 01:03:23,160
language was that

1591
01:03:27,349 --> 01:03:24,059
um

1592
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:27,359
that they have to create the science

1593
01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:29,520
plan to account for characteristics and

1594
01:03:36,650 --> 01:03:33,660
performance of UAP that exceed the known

1595
01:03:38,650 --> 01:03:36,660
state of Art in science or technology

1596
01:03:41,510 --> 01:03:38,660
including areas of propulsion

1597
01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:41,520
aerodynamic control signature structures

1598
01:03:46,250 --> 01:03:43,260
and on all sorts of things basically

1599
01:03:48,049 --> 01:03:46,260
they're talking about this as they know

1600
01:03:50,030 --> 01:03:48,059
it exists that they do not think these

1601
01:03:51,650 --> 01:03:50,040
are drone so so that was just an aside

1602
01:03:54,890 --> 01:03:51,660
there but in terms of

1603
01:03:56,569 --> 01:03:54,900
um you know educating the yeah in terms

1604
01:04:00,289 --> 01:03:56,579
of what happens next so that's going to

1605
01:04:01,730 --> 01:04:00,299
happen once the actual ndaa is signed so

1606
01:04:03,470 --> 01:04:01,740
you will have that science plan and act

1607
01:04:05,450 --> 01:04:03,480
if it goes through as it is at the

1608
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:05,460
moment so that will that will happen

1609
01:04:09,530 --> 01:04:07,200
um so I think what will happen as well

1610
01:04:12,829 --> 01:04:09,540
when all this stuff is happening you're

1611
01:04:15,710 --> 01:04:12,839
going to have um TT TTS it's called now

1612
01:04:17,870 --> 01:04:15,720
they'll be doing all their movies

1613
01:04:20,569 --> 01:04:17,880
um and books and stuff trying to educate

1614
01:04:23,990 --> 01:04:20,579
uh the masses about this

1615
01:04:26,349 --> 01:04:24,000
um in terms of religion

1616
01:04:29,030 --> 01:04:26,359
and philosophical

1617
01:04:31,490 --> 01:04:29,040
organizations I mean we know the Vatican

1618
01:04:35,030 --> 01:04:31,500
is engaged to some extent in this with

1619
01:04:37,970 --> 01:04:35,040
Italian UFO organizations

1620
01:04:39,950 --> 01:04:37,980
um so perhaps that will step up to some

1621
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:39,960
some degree

1622
01:04:44,510 --> 01:04:42,000
um but man it's going to be a momentous

1623
01:04:47,210 --> 01:04:44,520
effort but I think it's just getting

1624
01:04:48,829 --> 01:04:47,220
forcing this toothpaste out of the tube

1625
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:48,839
once and all for all at the moment I

1626
01:04:54,349 --> 01:04:50,640
think that's the the top Christopher

1627
01:04:56,150 --> 01:04:54,359
yeah yeah may I ask you a question since

1628
01:04:58,010 --> 01:04:56,160
you know clearly I need some some

1629
01:04:58,690 --> 01:04:58,020
eyebrow help here

1630
01:05:02,089 --> 01:04:58,700
um

1631
01:05:04,190 --> 01:05:02,099
what what do you think is the next what

1632
01:05:05,809 --> 01:05:04,200
do you think should happen after this

1633
01:05:07,309 --> 01:05:05,819
disclosure happened what do you think is

1634
01:05:09,650 --> 01:05:07,319
going to be the most important thing

1635
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,660
that needs to happen if I can if I

1636
01:05:14,569 --> 01:05:12,000
understood Davey's question correctly

1637
01:05:15,950 --> 01:05:14,579
he's nodding his head oh what's the most

1638
01:05:18,530 --> 01:05:15,960
important thing that needs to happen

1639
01:05:19,970 --> 01:05:18,540
after yes after

1640
01:05:22,250 --> 01:05:19,980
um

1641
01:05:25,069 --> 01:05:22,260
I I really think the most important

1642
01:05:28,490 --> 01:05:25,079
thing is just getting the technology out

1643
01:05:31,789 --> 01:05:28,500
to help save lives and push Humanity

1644
01:05:34,010 --> 01:05:31,799
forwards to the next level really so

1645
01:05:37,250 --> 01:05:34,020
yeah sustainably so

1646
01:05:39,230 --> 01:05:37,260
correct yeah okay great yeah I I'm with

1647
01:05:44,569 --> 01:05:39,240
you I'm all about sustainability that's

1648
01:05:50,809 --> 01:05:47,270
all right let's bring on my man right

1649
01:05:53,030 --> 01:05:50,819
here the legend from the United Kingdom

1650
01:05:58,609 --> 01:05:53,040
the mystery guest put your hands

1651
01:06:01,210 --> 01:05:58,619
together for ass UK underscore UAP hello

1652
01:06:06,710 --> 01:06:04,250
before you say anything I think it's

1653
01:06:09,170 --> 01:06:06,720
important you know that you look a lot

1654
01:06:12,710 --> 01:06:09,180
right now like Sylvester Stallone in the

1655
01:06:16,849 --> 01:06:12,720
movie Nighthawks so if you go back and

1656
01:06:20,089 --> 01:06:16,859
look at Nighthawks you're gonna go oh I

1657
01:06:22,010 --> 01:06:20,099
look a lot like Stallone but with uh his

1658
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:22,020
hair is a little longer okay so check it

1659
01:06:26,089 --> 01:06:23,760
out and he is by the way a police

1660
01:06:30,289 --> 01:06:26,099
officer in that in that film in New York

1661
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:32,150
thanks for having me good to be here yes

1662
01:06:40,370 --> 01:06:38,029
okay so you are going to present a topic

1663
01:06:43,010 --> 01:06:40,380
these guys are going to consider it and

1664
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:43,020
by the way you're and by the way Marcio

1665
01:06:45,950 --> 01:06:44,880
Boyle is in the chat hi Marky we're

1666
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:45,960
going to have you on the next one of

1667
01:06:49,970 --> 01:06:48,180
these man your your ticket's going to be

1668
01:06:51,410 --> 01:06:49,980
up for the for the British Invasion

1669
01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:51,420
three

1670
01:06:56,450 --> 01:06:55,440
um anyway yeah but anyway uh brother uh

1671
01:06:59,569 --> 01:06:56,460
brother Ash

1672
01:07:03,109 --> 01:06:59,579
so if your topic happens to be the best

1673
01:07:06,109 --> 01:07:03,119
one your entire team here will win a

1674
01:07:09,049 --> 01:07:06,119
custom piece of AI artwork done by my

1675
01:07:12,170 --> 01:07:09,059
brother money Nathan okay pressure then

1676
01:07:13,730 --> 01:07:12,180
no pressure yeah

1677
01:07:15,650 --> 01:07:13,740
I'll give it my best shot right okay

1678
01:07:16,309 --> 01:07:15,660
slightly less left filter here a bit you

1679
01:07:19,490 --> 01:07:16,319
know

1680
01:07:21,770 --> 01:07:19,500
less of the kind of uh UFO Topic in the

1681
01:07:23,089 --> 01:07:21,780
US at the moment okay right here we go

1682
01:07:25,250 --> 01:07:23,099
um the phenomenon seems to be

1683
01:07:26,990 --> 01:07:25,260
inextricably linked to Consciousness the

1684
01:07:30,109 --> 01:07:27,000
topic has been described as somber by

1685
01:07:31,549 --> 01:07:30,119
some most famously liverizondo I'd love

1686
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:31,559
to know what all your thoughts are that

1687
01:07:34,490 --> 01:07:32,400
we might actually be dealing with

1688
01:07:36,650 --> 01:07:34,500
something fundamental to the very nature

1689
01:07:40,069 --> 01:07:36,660
of reality itself and that this is the

1690
01:07:43,789 --> 01:07:42,170
say the end part of it I'm writing down

1691
01:07:45,049 --> 01:07:43,799
what you I'm taking notes on what

1692
01:07:46,430 --> 01:07:45,059
everybody's saying because at the end

1693
01:07:48,410 --> 01:07:46,440
we're gonna have to vote say that again

1694
01:07:49,430 --> 01:07:48,420
please yeah so what are your thoughts

1695
01:07:50,390 --> 01:07:49,440
that we may actually be dealing with

1696
01:07:51,650 --> 01:07:50,400
something when we talk about the

1697
01:07:52,849 --> 01:07:51,660
phenomenon we're actually dealing with

1698
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:52,859
something that's fundamental to the

1699
01:07:56,870 --> 01:07:54,720
nature of reality itself and that this

1700
01:07:58,970 --> 01:07:56,880
is the reason for the secrecy you know

1701
01:08:00,349 --> 01:07:58,980
that it's so shocking it kind of is at

1702
01:08:02,210 --> 01:08:00,359
the core of what it means to be human

1703
01:08:03,890 --> 01:08:02,220
and what it means to be alive and what

1704
01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:03,900
reality is that that's the reason why

1705
01:08:07,849 --> 01:08:05,400
it's it's kind of been hushed up and

1706
01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:07,859
that it's been described as somba

1707
01:08:12,829 --> 01:08:10,260
what are your thoughts on that one I'm I

1708
01:08:16,630 --> 01:08:12,839
am not previewing anything but that is a

1709
01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:19,370
awesome Ash I I knew you're going to

1710
01:08:28,729 --> 01:08:21,960
bring the Holly's going oh my God I got

1711
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:30,709
and turn your mic on police so we can

1712
01:08:35,570 --> 01:08:33,199
hear the bridge

1713
01:08:37,309 --> 01:08:35,580
that's a blast from the past isn't it

1714
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:37,319
they'll mute I've not done that for a

1715
01:08:42,110 --> 01:08:40,319
bit anyway yeah yeah that's a nice easy

1716
01:08:44,689 --> 01:08:42,120
one it needs to kick off thanks for that

1717
01:08:46,729 --> 01:08:44,699
thanks for that afternoon I knew you'd

1718
01:08:49,930 --> 01:08:46,739
like it Dave oh yeah well you're a good

1719
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:49,940
ladders we all know it but anyway yeah

1720
01:08:55,070 --> 01:08:52,799
basically I suppose going we don't know

1721
01:08:56,450 --> 01:08:55,080
if it's the could be but the

1722
01:08:59,090 --> 01:08:56,460
intelligence is one thing and it's

1723
01:09:02,329 --> 01:08:59,100
tricking us and the uh this trickster

1724
01:09:04,189 --> 01:09:02,339
element is is basically around uh an

1725
01:09:07,490 --> 01:09:04,199
actual Force that's manipulating

1726
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:07,500
technology he may well be the shock is

1727
01:09:12,050 --> 01:09:10,020
around something that we've been as a as

1728
01:09:13,550 --> 01:09:12,060
a as a human race we've been interfere

1729
01:09:15,169 --> 01:09:13,560
with this thing's been a long way in our

1730
01:09:18,289 --> 01:09:15,179
roots are very different

1731
01:09:20,269 --> 01:09:18,299
or it may well be that the wider thing

1732
01:09:22,309 --> 01:09:20,279
that our reality is indeed very

1733
01:09:24,229 --> 01:09:22,319
different we could be the ideas we're on

1734
01:09:28,209 --> 01:09:24,239
a prison planet I don't particularly go

1735
01:09:30,650 --> 01:09:28,219
with that or whatever yeah yeah yeah

1736
01:09:32,390 --> 01:09:30,660
you may say that DJ I'm not going to

1737
01:09:35,870 --> 01:09:32,400
upset the Australia he's a very touchy

1738
01:09:40,309 --> 01:09:38,329
no or it could be but we've got a wider

1739
01:09:42,890 --> 01:09:40,319
thing about a deal this whole thing of

1740
01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:42,900
this art at the idea of icons we live in

1741
01:09:48,110 --> 01:09:46,259
this sub reality and I mean it could

1742
01:09:50,269 --> 01:09:48,120
just be that it's about defense and that

1743
01:09:52,010 --> 01:09:50,279
the the government is powerless against

1744
01:09:54,410 --> 01:09:52,020
it so because we've got stories of Jimmy

1745
01:09:56,450 --> 01:09:54,420
Carter apparently crying when he was

1746
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:56,460
told the thing Tom delongs as he stays

1747
01:10:03,229 --> 01:09:58,620
awake at night what could make you do

1748
01:10:05,510 --> 01:10:03,239
that you know so my my suspicion is it's

1749
01:10:07,850 --> 01:10:05,520
either something pretty shocking that

1750
01:10:09,650 --> 01:10:07,860
he's Beyond just religion and DNA and

1751
01:10:12,290 --> 01:10:09,660
all the rest of it or it's something

1752
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:12,300
pretty existential in that we might all

1753
01:10:15,709 --> 01:10:14,400
be you know hopefully not I mean we can

1754
01:10:17,390 --> 01:10:15,719
talk about calmly but there may be an

1755
01:10:18,830 --> 01:10:17,400
impending class because my something's

1756
01:10:20,209 --> 01:10:18,840
going to happen we do have this

1757
01:10:22,010 --> 01:10:20,219
undercurrent in this theme about

1758
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:22,020
something's coming so much going to

1759
01:10:26,209 --> 01:10:24,480
happen now that has been the currency of

1760
01:10:28,729 --> 01:10:26,219
charlatans for a hundred years isn't it

1761
01:10:29,810 --> 01:10:28,739
something's coming so I'm not too you

1762
01:10:32,030 --> 01:10:29,820
know I want to hear that I don't

1763
01:10:35,450 --> 01:10:32,040
immediately jump under my bed but

1764
01:10:39,290 --> 01:10:35,460
nonetheless it is uh something so to

1765
01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:39,300
answer question I think it's uh it's too

1766
01:10:44,090 --> 01:10:41,880
difficult to extrapolate and whether the

1767
01:10:46,430 --> 01:10:44,100
philosophical implications would be that

1768
01:10:49,250 --> 01:10:46,440
scary but most people would get it and

1769
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:49,260
we're not being told it I don't know uh

1770
01:10:54,290 --> 01:10:52,080
but uh so as you can tell us you've I

1771
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:54,300
don't really know mate but I I suspect

1772
01:10:58,270 --> 01:10:56,640
uh it's somewhere in the middle of

1773
01:11:01,149 --> 01:10:58,280
complete shock

1774
01:11:03,110 --> 01:11:01,159
existential shock and a very mundane

1775
01:11:05,209 --> 01:11:03,120
prosaic explanation and we're being

1776
01:11:06,590 --> 01:11:05,219
tricked I think it's somewhere in the

1777
01:11:08,810 --> 01:11:06,600
middle

1778
01:11:11,870 --> 01:11:08,820
you know you know what's interesting is

1779
01:11:14,450 --> 01:11:11,880
not only has you know as uh Ash pointed

1780
01:11:17,030 --> 01:11:14,460
out Lou Elizondo has said something very

1781
01:11:19,790 --> 01:11:17,040
similar to this Rick Doty on his first

1782
01:11:21,709 --> 01:11:19,800
uh episode on cab told us that he said

1783
01:11:24,410 --> 01:11:21,719
this he felt the same way that there

1784
01:11:26,450 --> 01:11:24,420
were things that scared him and if you

1785
01:11:27,470 --> 01:11:26,460
you know you guys have met Rick Dodie in

1786
01:11:29,390 --> 01:11:27,480
person

1787
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:29,400
um he's not the type of individual who

1788
01:11:34,610 --> 01:11:31,920
scares easily he actually before he was

1789
01:11:37,250 --> 01:11:34,620
a combat controller and then in OSI

1790
01:11:40,370 --> 01:11:37,260
special agent he actually was in the New

1791
01:11:43,070 --> 01:11:40,380
Mexico state policeman after that so uh

1792
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,080
Rick doty's is an absolute monster as a

1793
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:45,840
person in law enforcement and Special

1794
01:11:49,850 --> 01:11:48,480
Operations so so forth so he doesn't

1795
01:11:51,050 --> 01:11:49,860
scare easily and he said there were

1796
01:11:54,169 --> 01:11:51,060
things that scared the hell out of him

1797
01:11:55,970 --> 01:11:54,179
so that would lead to that plus uh uh

1798
01:11:57,709 --> 01:11:55,980
Jim semivan said as much if you listen

1799
01:12:01,370 --> 01:11:57,719
to the brilliant episode of Stuart Davis

1800
01:12:03,470 --> 01:12:01,380
on um aliens and uh an artist he said

1801
01:12:05,149 --> 01:12:03,480
something like um that the the

1802
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:05,159
government doesn't know how to explain

1803
01:12:08,689 --> 01:12:07,080
this to people they don't don't

1804
01:12:10,729 --> 01:12:08,699
understand what it is and they don't

1805
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:10,739
know how to explain it and that's why

1806
01:12:16,130 --> 01:12:13,440
that they hide it because it's not easy

1807
01:12:17,930 --> 01:12:16,140
to say to to the public we're not in

1808
01:12:19,910 --> 01:12:17,940
control we don't know what this is I

1809
01:12:22,130 --> 01:12:19,920
wouldn't want to be the spokesperson to

1810
01:12:23,450 --> 01:12:22,140
say that or the person who was called

1811
01:12:25,490 --> 01:12:23,460
the secretary of defense or the

1812
01:12:27,169 --> 01:12:25,500
president you know anyone in the NCAA

1813
01:12:29,510 --> 01:12:27,179
National command authority to say that

1814
01:12:31,550 --> 01:12:29,520
and so I couldn't understand their

1815
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:31,560
position even if I'm unhappy with the

1816
01:12:35,090 --> 01:12:33,120
way it came down

1817
01:12:37,130 --> 01:12:35,100
um let's go to the next person before

1818
01:12:41,229 --> 01:12:37,140
Christopher sharp is going to go last

1819
01:12:44,169 --> 01:12:41,239
but let's go to uh Frank the UFO thinka

1820
01:12:46,450 --> 01:12:44,179
all right mate

1821
01:12:49,130 --> 01:12:46,460
Darren till in the house

1822
01:12:50,149 --> 01:12:49,140
yeah Holly I love that one if you're

1823
01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:50,159
there Holly

1824
01:12:56,689 --> 01:12:53,120
a nice bit of scales for you there oh

1825
01:12:59,090 --> 01:12:56,699
anyway but yeah I mean in terms of the

1826
01:13:00,830 --> 01:12:59,100
uh the very profound question from from

1827
01:13:04,130 --> 01:13:00,840
Ash there

1828
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:04,140
um I I don't I don't think that you know

1829
01:13:09,410 --> 01:13:06,960
any anybody in this sort of murky depths

1830
01:13:11,209 --> 01:13:09,420
of of like government programs has

1831
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:11,219
managed to kind of put all the pieces of

1832
01:13:14,450 --> 01:13:12,960
the puzzle together and realize like

1833
01:13:17,209 --> 01:13:14,460
right we've cracked it and it's really

1834
01:13:19,310 --> 01:13:17,219
weird so we can't tell the public but I

1835
01:13:21,770 --> 01:13:19,320
think even if there's like like DJ was

1836
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:21,780
just saying if there's even a little bit

1837
01:13:26,510 --> 01:13:24,239
of this which is really weird and

1838
01:13:28,850 --> 01:13:26,520
unexplainable and could be pretty scary

1839
01:13:30,709 --> 01:13:28,860
to the public that's a pretty good

1840
01:13:33,229 --> 01:13:30,719
reason why it wouldn't be disclosed to

1841
01:13:35,630 --> 01:13:33,239
the public and especially if that Taps

1842
01:13:37,850 --> 01:13:35,640
into something about the very nature of

1843
01:13:41,149 --> 01:13:37,860
reality itself and you know if you

1844
01:13:42,530 --> 01:13:41,159
listen to people like Hal putoff and you

1845
01:13:44,810 --> 01:13:42,540
know he's talked about the fact that

1846
01:13:46,729 --> 01:13:44,820
there are there are new new types of

1847
01:13:48,169 --> 01:13:46,739
physics being hidden you know I've

1848
01:13:50,390 --> 01:13:48,179
already been discovered and have been

1849
01:13:52,850 --> 01:13:50,400
experimented with and being used you

1850
01:13:55,310 --> 01:13:52,860
know in in perhaps in in conjunction

1851
01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:55,320
with Private Industry or maybe just in

1852
01:13:59,870 --> 01:13:57,480
Private Industry and also in cooperation

1853
01:14:03,350 --> 01:13:59,880
with you know top secret government

1854
01:14:06,350 --> 01:14:03,360
programs as well and if some of that new

1855
01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:06,360
physics is very destabilizing again

1856
01:14:10,370 --> 01:14:08,520
that's that's another the the new

1857
01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:10,380
physics who knows what that is I mean

1858
01:14:13,790 --> 01:14:12,420
I'm not a physicist but even perhaps the

1859
01:14:16,189 --> 01:14:13,800
actual new physics they're talking about

1860
01:14:19,130 --> 01:14:16,199
could actually tap into some elements of

1861
01:14:22,010 --> 01:14:19,140
the very nature of reality that you know

1862
01:14:24,110 --> 01:14:22,020
is is pretty pretty terrifying and I

1863
01:14:27,470 --> 01:14:24,120
think that's the thing even if only a

1864
01:14:28,910 --> 01:14:27,480
little bit of of what is known I don't

1865
01:14:30,590 --> 01:14:28,920
think they've got the full puzzle

1866
01:14:32,990 --> 01:14:30,600
figured out but even if a little bit of

1867
01:14:34,610 --> 01:14:33,000
that is is something really profound

1868
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,620
about the very nature of our existence

1869
01:14:38,330 --> 01:14:36,960
our reality or then that would be a good

1870
01:14:40,490 --> 01:14:38,340
enough reason to to keep that Under

1871
01:14:44,510 --> 01:14:40,500
Wraps pretty tight I think

1872
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:44,520
wow that front that is a very very sober

1873
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:48,360
take from a U.S UFO disclosure Advocate

1874
01:14:53,930 --> 01:14:51,600
that is a very sober taken it and what

1875
01:14:56,450 --> 01:14:53,940
it to an espouse an opinion like that

1876
01:14:58,550 --> 01:14:56,460
you have to be able to look outside your

1877
01:15:00,169 --> 01:14:58,560
own interest and that's on just yet

1878
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:00,179
another impressive thing about you Frank

1879
01:15:06,290 --> 01:15:03,120
uh who's next do we have uh yes

1880
01:15:08,750 --> 01:15:06,300
Christopher sharp yes

1881
01:15:11,570 --> 01:15:08,760
hey there um so thank you great question

1882
01:15:13,970 --> 01:15:11,580
so on the Consciousness component so

1883
01:15:17,510 --> 01:15:13,980
obviously there's a link potential link

1884
01:15:21,530 --> 01:15:17,520
between Quantum quantum physics and and

1885
01:15:25,250 --> 01:15:21,540
Consciousness and if if that is

1886
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,260
if if that is correct then a more

1887
01:15:31,430 --> 01:15:27,840
advanced race could potentially alter

1888
01:15:32,930 --> 01:15:31,440
our reality and thereby alter

1889
01:15:34,250 --> 01:15:32,940
Consciousness

1890
01:15:36,229 --> 01:15:34,260
um so that's very very interesting

1891
01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:36,239
obviously as well that we can't interact

1892
01:15:40,310 --> 01:15:38,760
with a lot of things that are real like

1893
01:15:42,950 --> 01:15:40,320
we can't interact with

1894
01:15:44,450 --> 01:15:42,960
um so for instance

1895
01:15:46,070 --> 01:15:44,460
um like radio waves and stuff like that

1896
01:15:48,169 --> 01:15:46,080
we can't see that we can't perceive that

1897
01:15:49,850 --> 01:15:48,179
ourselves so I mean there may be a

1898
01:15:50,750 --> 01:15:49,860
disturbing aspect there

1899
01:15:53,570 --> 01:15:50,760
um but I think one of the other

1900
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:53,580
disturbing aspects is I mean these a lot

1901
01:15:56,810 --> 01:15:54,719
of these things start appearing

1902
01:15:58,910 --> 01:15:56,820
especially around the nuclear sites when

1903
01:16:01,610 --> 01:15:58,920
we started learning the secrets behind

1904
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:01,620
the atom and I think

1905
01:16:07,250 --> 01:16:03,360
um that that's very very important I

1906
01:16:09,590 --> 01:16:07,260
feel like we as a human race uh are like

1907
01:16:10,850 --> 01:16:09,600
the Caged gorilla it's very very

1908
01:16:13,070 --> 01:16:10,860
frightening to someone who's looking

1909
01:16:15,770 --> 01:16:13,080
from the outside and then when we

1910
01:16:17,149 --> 01:16:15,780
started kind of um finding the secrets

1911
01:16:19,729 --> 01:16:17,159
for honey atom it was kind of like just

1912
01:16:22,250 --> 01:16:19,739
finding the keys to getting out of that

1913
01:16:24,770 --> 01:16:22,260
so I think potentially someone put us

1914
01:16:27,290 --> 01:16:24,780
back in there so um about the cataclysm

1915
01:16:28,790 --> 01:16:27,300
and stuff that may be one option

1916
01:16:31,010 --> 01:16:28,800
um and then obviously as well there's

1917
01:16:33,530 --> 01:16:31,020
the I've heard from like separate

1918
01:16:35,149 --> 01:16:33,540
unrelated very very good sources for

1919
01:16:36,290 --> 01:16:35,159
instance that the Holloman Air Force

1920
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,300
Base

1921
01:16:40,970 --> 01:16:38,400
um visit really did happen when

1922
01:16:43,430 --> 01:16:40,980
occupants got outcraft and

1923
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:43,440
um then were greeted by Air Force

1924
01:16:47,149 --> 01:16:45,840
officials and uh that really quite that

1925
01:16:48,649 --> 01:16:47,159
really was like something that kind of

1926
01:16:51,410 --> 01:16:48,659
like took me by surprise coming from

1927
01:16:54,290 --> 01:16:51,420
some very very good well-connected

1928
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:54,300
sources so um yeah three percussions of

1929
01:16:59,630 --> 01:16:56,880
ongoing contact as well so yeah

1930
01:17:01,010 --> 01:16:59,640
all right now back Christopher

1931
01:17:02,209 --> 01:17:01,020
um yeah and your topic is going to come

1932
01:17:04,010 --> 01:17:02,219
up next but

1933
01:17:05,209 --> 01:17:04,020
yeah look at that hair I'll tell you

1934
01:17:07,570 --> 01:17:05,219
what man it's the only thing I don't

1935
01:17:10,490 --> 01:17:07,580
like about her God baby

1936
01:17:11,689 --> 01:17:10,500
I'm going to be an awkward son and I'm

1937
01:17:13,070 --> 01:17:11,699
going to throw this back to us because

1938
01:17:15,950 --> 01:17:13,080
me and him have had a few chats around

1939
01:17:18,290 --> 01:17:15,960
this and I'm gonna say we finally up

1940
01:17:19,850 --> 01:17:18,300
Define reality

1941
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:19,860
I really don't think we know what

1942
01:17:22,970 --> 01:17:22,080
reality is yet I think that there's

1943
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:22,980
different

1944
01:17:29,510 --> 01:17:25,199
ways of looking at that I mean we live

1945
01:17:32,450 --> 01:17:29,520
in a material scientific Paradigm if we

1946
01:17:34,490 --> 01:17:32,460
go back 300 400 years that vision of

1947
01:17:36,110 --> 01:17:34,500
reality that version of reality was a

1948
01:17:39,229 --> 01:17:36,120
very different one I would argue if we

1949
01:17:41,870 --> 01:17:39,239
go back 2 000 years different still

1950
01:17:44,689 --> 01:17:41,880
I'm inclined to think maybe they had a

1951
01:17:46,970 --> 01:17:44,699
better or a different understanding of

1952
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:46,980
certain elements of that reality that we

1953
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:48,960
have lost as we've gone to new down that

1954
01:17:54,350 --> 01:17:52,080
scientific materialistic narrower and

1955
01:17:56,990 --> 01:17:54,360
narrower narrower Focus

1956
01:18:01,250 --> 01:17:57,000
um so Ash already knows my answer to

1957
01:18:03,709 --> 01:18:01,260
this I am absolutely convinced that this

1958
01:18:05,689 --> 01:18:03,719
topic and it's broader than UFOs it's

1959
01:18:09,050 --> 01:18:05,699
broader than Sasquatch it's broader than

1960
01:18:12,590 --> 01:18:09,060
life after death no death experiences

1961
01:18:16,370 --> 01:18:12,600
ghouls ghost monsters Loch Ness Monsters

1962
01:18:19,250 --> 01:18:16,380
it is absolutely intrinsic in the very

1963
01:18:21,350 --> 01:18:19,260
nature of the universe and I think that

1964
01:18:23,090 --> 01:18:21,360
to get closer to understanding this we

1965
01:18:25,970 --> 01:18:23,100
have to begin to understand our real

1966
01:18:28,490 --> 01:18:25,980
place in that universe

1967
01:18:30,350 --> 01:18:28,500
wow that that was profound the only

1968
01:18:32,810 --> 01:18:30,360
thing I was thinking about is live being

1969
01:18:35,390 --> 01:18:32,820
in a material world I was thinking of

1970
01:18:37,189 --> 01:18:35,400
Madonna when he said that cash what's it

1971
01:18:38,689 --> 01:18:37,199
do you have a response to

1972
01:18:40,669 --> 01:18:38,699
well I mean how would you follow that I

1973
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:40,679
mean he's so eloquent of his words isn't

1974
01:18:43,130 --> 01:18:42,239
he Davey um but no I think he's got a

1975
01:18:44,750 --> 01:18:43,140
point there

1976
01:18:46,910 --> 01:18:44,760
um you know how do we even Define

1977
01:18:48,169 --> 01:18:46,920
reality what is reality you know what is

1978
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:48,179
the world we're in at the moment what is

1979
01:18:51,770 --> 01:18:49,920
tangible what isn't

1980
01:18:52,850 --> 01:18:51,780
um and I think Dave is right you know

1981
01:18:53,750 --> 01:18:52,860
we're going back through history we're

1982
01:18:55,010 --> 01:18:53,760
going back through science and the

1983
01:18:57,410 --> 01:18:55,020
evolution of science and what we

1984
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:57,420
discover changes every year we know more

1985
01:19:00,890 --> 01:18:58,800
and more about the world every year and

1986
01:19:03,410 --> 01:19:00,900
you know it's a new discovery

1987
01:19:04,490 --> 01:19:03,420
um you know we we've got the macro world

1988
01:19:05,450 --> 01:19:04,500
and then we've got the micro world and

1989
01:19:06,890 --> 01:19:05,460
then we're going to the quantum world

1990
01:19:08,270 --> 01:19:06,900
and things get really crazy when you get

1991
01:19:09,649 --> 01:19:08,280
there and no one really understands that

1992
01:19:12,169 --> 01:19:09,659
even top scientists are still

1993
01:19:14,090 --> 01:19:12,179
discovering strange things there so yeah

1994
01:19:15,950 --> 01:19:14,100
it's it's a real tough one

1995
01:19:17,090 --> 01:19:15,960
um but I think we need to start asking

1996
01:19:19,189 --> 01:19:17,100
those tough questions and we need to

1997
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:19,199
start looking at these these really uh

1998
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:21,360
you know hard to reach places and and I

1999
01:19:25,010 --> 01:19:22,320
think that's where we're going to start

2000
01:19:26,870 --> 01:19:25,020
to formulate some answers but yeah it's

2001
01:19:28,729 --> 01:19:26,880
all really interesting stuff and I think

2002
01:19:29,990 --> 01:19:28,739
one of the reasons that governments

2003
01:19:31,370 --> 01:19:30,000
don't want to touch it is because I

2004
01:19:33,229 --> 01:19:31,380
think um it was yourself rank it might

2005
01:19:34,189 --> 01:19:33,239
be someone else apologies but um you

2006
01:19:35,390 --> 01:19:34,199
know how do you how do you tell the

2007
01:19:36,890 --> 01:19:35,400
public that yeah we know a little bit

2008
01:19:38,390 --> 01:19:36,900
about it but we don't know much about it

2009
01:19:40,850 --> 01:19:38,400
and by the way it's it's really

2010
01:19:42,350 --> 01:19:40,860
fundamental to you and living and what

2011
01:19:45,950 --> 01:19:42,360
it means to be you so

2012
01:19:46,970 --> 01:19:45,960
yeah I I think if people want to be if

2013
01:19:48,410 --> 01:19:46,980
you're in a position of power you need

2014
01:19:50,149 --> 01:19:48,420
to be able to people want to trust you

2015
01:19:51,470 --> 01:19:50,159
and you want to be able to give all of

2016
01:19:53,390 --> 01:19:51,480
the answers and if you haven't got that

2017
01:19:55,430 --> 01:19:53,400
how do you even begin and so the best

2018
01:19:57,169 --> 01:19:55,440
thing is to kind of just ignore it hope

2019
01:19:58,250 --> 01:19:57,179
it'll go away or cover it up somehow so

2020
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:58,260
I think that's what we're dealing with

2021
01:20:01,669 --> 01:20:00,480
and you know we are human at the end of

2022
01:20:02,930 --> 01:20:01,679
the day and humans not all humans are

2023
01:20:04,189 --> 01:20:02,940
nice as soon as we get something we

2024
01:20:05,810 --> 01:20:04,199
always try and weaponize it and find out

2025
01:20:11,410 --> 01:20:05,820
how to kill someone with it I think

2026
01:20:14,990 --> 01:20:13,550
really interesting comments guys thanks

2027
01:20:17,209 --> 01:20:15,000
thanks for your uh inputs on it thanks

2028
01:20:19,610 --> 01:20:17,219
for having me here we will have you back

2029
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:19,620
uh to talk about it more and that was

2030
01:20:24,350 --> 01:20:22,560
Jim semivan that that made those car uh

2031
01:20:25,610 --> 01:20:24,360
represented the government's what he

2032
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:25,620
believes to be the government's position

2033
01:20:29,810 --> 01:20:27,840
based on probably first person

2034
01:20:32,030 --> 01:20:29,820
conversations with those that would know

2035
01:20:34,370 --> 01:20:32,040
uh let's get money Nathan and Deb's in

2036
01:20:36,350 --> 01:20:34,380
there real quick uh before we uh get

2037
01:20:39,050 --> 01:20:36,360
Christopher

2038
01:20:40,610 --> 01:20:39,060
yeah this is a this is the question this

2039
01:20:43,790 --> 01:20:40,620
is this one's huge

2040
01:20:46,130 --> 01:20:43,800
um I think it uh it's about who we are

2041
01:20:48,590 --> 01:20:46,140
who they are what Journey we're on and

2042
01:20:52,550 --> 01:20:48,600
also what Journey they're on I think

2043
01:20:55,130 --> 01:20:52,560
that uh this is one grand experiment uh

2044
01:20:57,890 --> 01:20:55,140
that is the

2045
01:21:00,110 --> 01:20:57,900
aim of the conscious universe and that

2046
01:21:02,030 --> 01:21:00,120
we're all part of that

2047
01:21:03,590 --> 01:21:02,040
developmental cycle that we're

2048
01:21:05,689 --> 01:21:03,600
interrelated

2049
01:21:07,850 --> 01:21:05,699
um I think that the reason why we

2050
01:21:10,669 --> 01:21:07,860
haven't been given uh the full

2051
01:21:13,070 --> 01:21:10,679
disclosure is actually pretty pragmatic

2052
01:21:14,930 --> 01:21:13,080
and practical I think that we discovered

2053
01:21:17,209 --> 01:21:14,940
there was something very powerful and we

2054
01:21:18,770 --> 01:21:17,219
wanted to protect that we wanted to keep

2055
01:21:20,750 --> 01:21:18,780
that secret wanted to figure that out so

2056
01:21:22,970 --> 01:21:20,760
we had a competitive advantage and and

2057
01:21:24,649 --> 01:21:22,980
that has what is what has maintained the

2058
01:21:28,610 --> 01:21:24,659
secrecy for so long

2059
01:21:30,709 --> 01:21:28,620
and rightly so in a world where we're

2060
01:21:32,450 --> 01:21:30,719
not that far removed from you know

2061
01:21:35,689 --> 01:21:32,460
stabbing each other with pointy sticks

2062
01:21:38,570 --> 01:21:35,699
uh so yeah I mean in The Arc of History

2063
01:21:39,970 --> 01:21:38,580
we're very close right very close and um

2064
01:21:42,350 --> 01:21:39,980
I think

2065
01:21:44,630 --> 01:21:42,360
when they started showing up they

2066
01:21:47,570 --> 01:21:44,640
realized oh you know crap look at these

2067
01:21:49,610 --> 01:21:47,580
you know poorly developed beings who now

2068
01:21:52,010 --> 01:21:49,620
can basically like annihilate not only

2069
01:21:55,010 --> 01:21:52,020
themselves but also aspects of reality

2070
01:21:58,130 --> 01:21:55,020
that we cannot directly experience that

2071
01:22:01,910 --> 01:21:58,140
they probably can so our Weaponry our

2072
01:22:03,950 --> 01:22:01,920
Atomic uh Weaponry or capability it uh

2073
01:22:05,570 --> 01:22:03,960
you know it absolutely has an impact a

2074
01:22:08,090 --> 01:22:05,580
reverberating impact into other

2075
01:22:09,590 --> 01:22:08,100
dimensions that they probably inhabit so

2076
01:22:11,930 --> 01:22:09,600
it's you know why wouldn't they show up

2077
01:22:14,090 --> 01:22:11,940
and ask us to stop you know breaking the

2078
01:22:18,290 --> 01:22:14,100
furniture in the house essentially

2079
01:22:20,810 --> 01:22:18,300
um so you know I think we um to reveal

2080
01:22:22,430 --> 01:22:20,820
this and to to take it to the next step

2081
01:22:24,830 --> 01:22:22,440
is

2082
01:22:25,610 --> 01:22:24,840
um if we don't have our sort of house in

2083
01:22:27,890 --> 01:22:25,620
order

2084
01:22:30,890 --> 01:22:27,900
then I don't think we can quite handle

2085
01:22:32,030 --> 01:22:30,900
the technology very responsibly

2086
01:22:33,830 --> 01:22:32,040
um at least not without their

2087
01:22:35,390 --> 01:22:33,840
supervision and are they willing to

2088
01:22:37,310 --> 01:22:35,400
provide that at least some of them might

2089
01:22:38,870 --> 01:22:37,320
be some of them might not be

2090
01:22:40,610 --> 01:22:38,880
again I think this is also a

2091
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:40,620
developmental Journey that they're on

2092
01:22:45,169 --> 01:22:43,440
and so how much should they engage with

2093
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,179
our development or not engage with our

2094
01:22:49,790 --> 01:22:47,520
development if you think about this from

2095
01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:49,800
the grand scheme of uh the universe and

2096
01:22:54,590 --> 01:22:51,840
other civilizations this this experiment

2097
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:54,600
probably has happened before and it

2098
01:22:58,729 --> 01:22:56,880
probably didn't go well there were

2099
01:23:01,610 --> 01:22:58,739
probably some beings that did intervene

2100
01:23:03,770 --> 01:23:01,620
in the development of a prior uh you

2101
01:23:05,630 --> 01:23:03,780
know developing species and thought this

2102
01:23:07,490 --> 01:23:05,640
would be a great idea to give them some

2103
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:07,500
sort of technological help and that that

2104
01:23:11,149 --> 01:23:09,360
species ended up just annihilating it

2105
01:23:12,649 --> 01:23:11,159
themselves so they may have learned

2106
01:23:14,689 --> 01:23:12,659
their lesson from that and maybe that's

2107
01:23:16,310 --> 01:23:14,699
why they haven't been so involved so I

2108
01:23:19,010 --> 01:23:16,320
mean it's again we could talk about this

2109
01:23:20,750 --> 01:23:19,020
all night but I think it um it is the

2110
01:23:22,010 --> 01:23:20,760
question the fundamental question and I

2111
01:23:24,050 --> 01:23:22,020
think we have a long way to go before

2112
01:23:26,570 --> 01:23:24,060
we're really in a place where we can

2113
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:26,580
responsibly handle it personally

2114
01:23:31,070 --> 01:23:28,560
it's what's great about doing a show

2115
01:23:32,990 --> 01:23:31,080
like this because there are some there

2116
01:23:35,390 --> 01:23:33,000
are an endless amount of angles to take

2117
01:23:38,330 --> 01:23:35,400
to this and allude to what you alluded

2118
01:23:40,970 --> 01:23:38,340
to Nathan I mean they may have uh had a

2119
01:23:43,130 --> 01:23:40,980
look uh down at us and when Genghis Khan

2120
01:23:45,530 --> 01:23:43,140
and our Genghis Khan and his armies

2121
01:23:48,590 --> 01:23:45,540
killed you know I'm 40 million or so

2122
01:23:50,930 --> 01:23:48,600
people you know uh from from the east

2123
01:23:52,610 --> 01:23:50,940
Europe and and said wow look at what

2124
01:23:54,410 --> 01:23:52,620
these guys are doing you know we want to

2125
01:23:56,030 --> 01:23:54,420
you know we help the Egyptians but we

2126
01:23:57,709 --> 01:23:56,040
want to stand back a little bit you know

2127
01:24:00,050 --> 01:23:57,719
who knows we're going to get into that a

2128
01:24:02,930 --> 01:24:00,060
little more with uh Dave Smithers than

2129
01:24:05,149 --> 01:24:02,940
uh and um hey look over there Dan Warren

2130
01:24:07,010 --> 01:24:05,159
coming up soon on our ancient structures

2131
01:24:09,050 --> 01:24:07,020
uh episode that we're gonna do so I'm

2132
01:24:10,090 --> 01:24:09,060
looking forward to that to get us all

2133
01:24:13,430 --> 01:24:10,100
educated

2134
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:13,440
uh Debs uh any parting thoughts before

2135
01:24:18,649 --> 01:24:16,320
we say goodbye to this panel and we'll

2136
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:18,659
take a quick break so people can use the

2137
01:24:23,630 --> 01:24:20,880
facilities and then we'll bring on um

2138
01:24:26,090 --> 01:24:23,640
the hoop well what's interesting about

2139
01:24:29,149 --> 01:24:26,100
this topic is it is the concern that

2140
01:24:32,570 --> 01:24:29,159
people have of is that why there's so

2141
01:24:33,950 --> 01:24:32,580
much caution is it the nature of reality

2142
01:24:36,410 --> 01:24:33,960
um being

2143
01:24:39,410 --> 01:24:36,420
um turned upside down for people right

2144
01:24:41,450 --> 01:24:39,420
and they spent a lot of money and people

2145
01:24:43,729 --> 01:24:41,460
seem to forget that they spent a lot of

2146
01:24:47,030 --> 01:24:43,739
money having a whole bunch of religious

2147
01:24:48,770 --> 01:24:47,040
people come together and talk about that

2148
01:24:51,110 --> 01:24:48,780
um and a lot of people are working on

2149
01:24:53,570 --> 01:24:51,120
that issue behind the scenes I think

2150
01:24:56,570 --> 01:24:53,580
that's one of the reasons Bigelow

2151
01:24:59,450 --> 01:24:56,580
mentioned to James Fox that he's

2152
01:25:02,030 --> 01:24:59,460
concerned because even even UFO

2153
01:25:04,189 --> 01:25:02,040
researchers have studied is it going to

2154
01:25:05,630 --> 01:25:04,199
be an upheaval is it going to be a shock

2155
01:25:08,630 --> 01:25:05,640
is the

2156
01:25:11,390 --> 01:25:08,640
threat really an ontological threat as

2157
01:25:13,130 --> 01:25:11,400
someone in the seu conferences mentioned

2158
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:13,140
in their videos I just watched that this

2159
01:25:16,070 --> 01:25:15,120
morning right so I think that's the

2160
01:25:18,709 --> 01:25:16,080
concern

2161
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:18,719
so I just wanted to point out money has

2162
01:25:25,189 --> 01:25:21,120
been spent on this issue and I think

2163
01:25:25,199 --> 01:25:27,770
yeah

2164
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:29,630
you know again I've we're not

2165
01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,960
necessarily the group that you're

2166
01:25:34,550 --> 01:25:32,400
looking at on screen here we're not

2167
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:34,560
necessarily representative of the

2168
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:37,199
entirety of the population of either the

2169
01:25:40,729 --> 01:25:38,880
United States or the world or the you

2170
01:25:44,689 --> 01:25:40,739
know the United or the UK or the world

2171
01:25:47,930 --> 01:25:44,699
we are very open to whatever hey how's

2172
01:25:48,890 --> 01:25:47,940
it going let's go in there what's up my

2173
01:25:52,189 --> 01:25:48,900
buddy

2174
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,199
um uh we are open to whatever the truth

2175
01:25:56,629 --> 01:25:54,000
is tell us and we're ready to handle it

2176
01:25:59,330 --> 01:25:56,639
and not everybody is in a mind state to

2177
01:26:01,850 --> 01:25:59,340
to do that unfortunately and uh but

2178
01:26:03,470 --> 01:26:01,860
anyway uh did David get a chance to

2179
01:26:05,149 --> 01:26:03,480
respond to this I didn't pass you did I

2180
01:26:07,250 --> 01:26:05,159
no

2181
01:26:08,870 --> 01:26:07,260
he well he gave it back to Ash but I

2182
01:26:11,030 --> 01:26:08,880
know we didn't get Chris a chance to

2183
01:26:12,590 --> 01:26:11,040
introduce the topic and I don't know if

2184
01:26:14,930 --> 01:26:12,600
he wants to do that Christopher go ahead

2185
01:26:18,350 --> 01:26:14,940
sir yeah hold up

2186
01:26:20,810 --> 01:26:18,360
okay so publicly the USF will seem to be

2187
01:26:23,930 --> 01:26:20,820
trying to brush us aside in terms of a

2188
01:26:27,169 --> 01:26:23,940
topic however we know that recently the

2189
01:26:31,550 --> 01:26:27,179
Air Force and FBI raided homes or a man

2190
01:26:32,990 --> 01:26:31,560
who ran an Area 51 website and also

2191
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:33,000
um we know as well for a recent story

2192
01:26:38,090 --> 01:26:36,000
that source told me that

2193
01:26:40,129 --> 01:26:38,100
um a mid-grade Air Force officer was

2194
01:26:41,510 --> 01:26:40,139
reprimanded and admonished by their

2195
01:26:44,689 --> 01:26:41,520
chain of command for reaching out to

2196
01:26:50,530 --> 01:26:44,699
task force members UAP task force

2197
01:26:52,430 --> 01:26:50,540
um so is there an active campaign

2198
01:26:53,209 --> 01:26:52,440
to

2199
01:26:55,010 --> 01:26:53,219
um

2200
01:26:58,490 --> 01:26:55,020
to intimidate

2201
01:26:59,689 --> 01:26:58,500
people who want to speak out about this

2202
01:27:01,310 --> 01:26:59,699
topic

2203
01:27:03,169 --> 01:27:01,320
um in terms of people associated with it

2204
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:03,179
reporting on it and potential

2205
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:05,040
whistleblowers as well and do you think

2206
01:27:08,149 --> 01:27:06,480
that will back far in terms of the

2207
01:27:09,649 --> 01:27:08,159
Congress

2208
01:27:13,430 --> 01:27:09,659
Dave

2209
01:27:15,050 --> 01:27:13,440
I think we're seeing a massive uh fight

2210
01:27:16,729 --> 01:27:15,060
going on behind the scenes and we see

2211
01:27:19,129 --> 01:27:16,739
our British report and all the rest of

2212
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:19,139
it I think that they don't want it I

2213
01:27:23,990 --> 01:27:20,880
think there's been a car group since the

2214
01:27:25,790 --> 01:27:24,000
40s uh what I'm ever next MGA 12 or

2215
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:25,800
whatever there's some sort of core group

2216
01:27:30,530 --> 01:27:29,280
that's been going on for ages and and I

2217
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:30,540
think they're the ones who've been

2218
01:27:35,330 --> 01:27:33,120
keeping the lid in it I think there was

2219
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:35,340
a movement and maybe started there's

2220
01:27:38,330 --> 01:27:36,719
been every decade there's been a

2221
01:27:40,729 --> 01:27:38,340
movement of one of those who've tried to

2222
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:40,739
get the truth that Loose Ends thing that

2223
01:27:44,990 --> 01:27:42,960
come out recently was about that

2224
01:27:46,970 --> 01:27:45,000
and I think there's been this car group

2225
01:27:49,550 --> 01:27:46,980
that's kept older and I think the U.S

2226
01:27:52,250 --> 01:27:49,560
Air Force is right in the up to their

2227
01:27:54,290 --> 01:27:52,260
ears in this we're probably the doe and

2228
01:27:58,790 --> 01:27:54,300
maybe elements of the IC most probably

2229
01:28:00,530 --> 01:27:58,800
CIA and maybe bits of the NRL and uh I

2230
01:28:02,750 --> 01:28:00,540
think yeah I think there's a big effort

2231
01:28:04,370 --> 01:28:02,760
to try and intimidate people and I think

2232
01:28:06,530 --> 01:28:04,380
they've got a lot of power for the U.S

2233
01:28:09,050 --> 01:28:06,540
Air Force having been so roundly exposed

2234
01:28:10,910 --> 01:28:09,060
by melon and everybody else to still

2235
01:28:13,370 --> 01:28:10,920
keep going and still effectively going

2236
01:28:14,870 --> 01:28:13,380
yeah yeah yes we'll do it and sticking

2237
01:28:16,970 --> 01:28:14,880
the finger up at the Congress like they

2238
01:28:19,610 --> 01:28:16,980
are doing they've got to have some power

2239
01:28:20,930 --> 01:28:19,620
so yeah I think there's an active effort

2240
01:28:24,410 --> 01:28:20,940
to do that and I think some people

2241
01:28:26,570 --> 01:28:24,420
notably Mr Bray uh think they can still

2242
01:28:28,129 --> 01:28:26,580
put the toothpaste back in the tube and

2243
01:28:31,370 --> 01:28:28,139
they're trying to follow Midwest shot of

2244
01:28:33,470 --> 01:28:31,380
all low information Zone stuff uh and

2245
01:28:35,090 --> 01:28:33,480
anyway so I think yes it's an active

2246
01:28:36,890 --> 01:28:35,100
effort and we're seeing that over this

2247
01:28:38,450 --> 01:28:36,900
report you'll probably say it's a

2248
01:28:40,850 --> 01:28:38,460
mundane thing we didn't have the staff

2249
01:28:42,229 --> 01:28:40,860
bloody bloody blah but I actually think

2250
01:28:44,810 --> 01:28:42,239
there's a big fight going on at the

2251
01:28:48,110 --> 01:28:44,820
moment and uh it's interesting we've got

2252
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,120
six weeks before uh you know the

2253
01:28:52,610 --> 01:28:50,400
Congress change his power and I do

2254
01:28:54,770 --> 01:28:52,620
wonder if nothing's done before that six

2255
01:28:56,570 --> 01:28:54,780
weeks whether they'll find a way to put

2256
01:28:59,209 --> 01:28:56,580
the fix in again as they always seem to

2257
01:29:01,729 --> 01:28:59,219
do so yeah so I definitely think Chris

2258
01:29:04,370 --> 01:29:01,739
is right there oh well that's my take on

2259
01:29:07,310 --> 01:29:04,380
what Chris has said anyway

2260
01:29:12,229 --> 01:29:07,320
yeah I I just want to I don't know if

2261
01:29:16,729 --> 01:29:12,239
it's a title seven here for the FBI

2262
01:29:20,030 --> 01:29:16,739
um oh sorry title 18. so you have two

2263
01:29:22,970 --> 01:29:20,040
different authorities for Air Force OSI

2264
01:29:26,750 --> 01:29:22,980
you know which is DoD title 50 and then

2265
01:29:30,010 --> 01:29:26,760
you have uh Title 18 FDI so two totally

2266
01:29:33,169 --> 01:29:30,020
separate uh organizations saw interest

2267
01:29:35,870 --> 01:29:33,179
in in going after that guy's house and I

2268
01:29:39,950 --> 01:29:35,880
have no idea how legitimate it could be

2269
01:29:42,770 --> 01:29:39,960
complete uh BS uh the reasons that they

2270
01:29:45,530 --> 01:29:42,780
used for for rating that guy's home but

2271
01:29:46,970 --> 01:29:45,540
I think it's worth noting that their

2272
01:29:48,530 --> 01:29:46,980
authorities are from two different

2273
01:29:51,830 --> 01:29:48,540
titles in the government and therefore

2274
01:29:55,010 --> 01:29:51,840
what the dod could not direct the FBI to

2275
01:29:59,209 --> 01:29:55,020
be pardon uh party to that raid nor

2276
01:30:01,310 --> 01:29:59,219
could the FBI direct uh the USAF uh OSI

2277
01:30:05,209 --> 01:30:01,320
to be party to that raid so both of them

2278
01:30:07,250 --> 01:30:05,219
saw interest in it and I guess uh made

2279
01:30:09,709 --> 01:30:07,260
it a joint operation and actually Ash

2280
01:30:10,729 --> 01:30:09,719
may may be able to weigh in on that as

2281
01:30:12,770 --> 01:30:10,739
well

2282
01:30:15,530 --> 01:30:12,780
um so yeah and with that let's go to

2283
01:30:19,010 --> 01:30:15,540
cash before we go to Frank Jones Jesus

2284
01:30:21,110 --> 01:30:19,020
Jones David Jones go ahead uh what say

2285
01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:21,120
you asked about that that rate yeah I

2286
01:30:23,689 --> 01:30:22,260
don't know I don't know the ins and outs

2287
01:30:25,490 --> 01:30:23,699
obviously I saw the the report on it I

2288
01:30:27,169 --> 01:30:25,500
don't know the detail of it um but what

2289
01:30:28,850 --> 01:30:27,179
I would say is there's more than one way

2290
01:30:30,649 --> 01:30:28,860
to skin a cat isn't there and if if this

2291
01:30:32,689 --> 01:30:30,659
person happened to have

2292
01:30:34,250 --> 01:30:32,699
something else in their possession that

2293
01:30:35,629 --> 01:30:34,260
could be used against them then perhaps

2294
01:30:37,610 --> 01:30:35,639
that's what's been done

2295
01:30:38,510 --> 01:30:37,620
um but likewise it may well be that some

2296
01:30:39,770 --> 01:30:38,520
of the stuff they were putting on their

2297
01:30:41,450 --> 01:30:39,780
website I don't know this is just pure

2298
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:41,460
speculation could have been classified

2299
01:30:44,209 --> 01:30:42,960
uh well there could have been

2300
01:30:45,530 --> 01:30:44,219
information on that it could be a risk

2301
01:30:46,490 --> 01:30:45,540
the national security so that you know

2302
01:30:47,870 --> 01:30:46,500
there's that to think about as well

2303
01:30:48,950 --> 01:30:47,880
isn't there because the last thing you

2304
01:30:50,390 --> 01:30:48,960
want is to put something out there that

2305
01:30:51,770 --> 01:30:50,400
your adversaries can get hold of and

2306
01:30:53,450 --> 01:30:51,780
potentially you know put your own

2307
01:30:56,450 --> 01:30:53,460
citizens at risk

2308
01:30:57,410 --> 01:30:56,460
um so yeah there may be that that to it

2309
01:30:59,689 --> 01:30:57,420
as well

2310
01:31:01,070 --> 01:30:59,699
um so yeah who knows hopefully more will

2311
01:31:02,689 --> 01:31:01,080
come out eventually and we'll understand

2312
01:31:03,830 --> 01:31:02,699
the full circumstances of it but there's

2313
01:31:05,209 --> 01:31:03,840
more than one way to skin a cat there's

2314
01:31:06,530 --> 01:31:05,219
more way more than one way to ruin

2315
01:31:09,470 --> 01:31:06,540
someone's career which we have seen as

2316
01:31:11,750 --> 01:31:09,480
well yeah I just just react to this

2317
01:31:14,090 --> 01:31:11,760
um so the Department of Justice would

2318
01:31:16,729 --> 01:31:14,100
have had to have seen evidence Ash that

2319
01:31:19,790 --> 01:31:16,739
would have gr so that they would have

2320
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:19,800
granted that um forgive me uh for

2321
01:31:25,010 --> 01:31:21,600
missing the term right now

2322
01:31:27,770 --> 01:31:25,020
um uh to enter into uh the person's home

2323
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:27,780
whatever that's called huh I'll have to

2324
01:31:33,110 --> 01:31:30,480
do a warrant yeah yeah yes so so a judge

2325
01:31:35,090 --> 01:31:33,120
a doj judge would have had to have seen

2326
01:31:36,770 --> 01:31:35,100
that evidence that would not hold for

2327
01:31:39,530 --> 01:31:36,780
the dod it would have had to have been

2328
01:31:41,810 --> 01:31:39,540
an Air Force JAG that would have seen

2329
01:31:43,310 --> 01:31:41,820
evidence that

2330
01:31:45,350 --> 01:31:43,320
um concurrent with that that would have

2331
01:31:49,070 --> 01:31:45,360
said we have an interest because of this

2332
01:31:52,370 --> 01:31:49,080
evidence so two different uh warrants

2333
01:31:53,570 --> 01:31:52,380
were issued on an evidentiary basis uh

2334
01:31:55,729 --> 01:31:53,580
that two different organizations

2335
01:31:56,990 --> 01:31:55,739
authorized would you agree with that at

2336
01:31:59,090 --> 01:31:57,000
least

2337
01:32:00,410 --> 01:31:59,100
yeah yeah it's I mean if the fact were

2338
01:32:02,390 --> 01:32:00,420
two different in completely separate

2339
01:32:03,470 --> 01:32:02,400
organizations have had to have oversight

2340
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:03,480
of that would seem to suggest there's

2341
01:32:06,530 --> 01:32:04,560
probably something

2342
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:06,540
yeah illegal or classified that that

2343
01:32:10,850 --> 01:32:08,400
person had possession of

2344
01:32:12,590 --> 01:32:10,860
yeah that I I just had have to point

2345
01:32:15,649 --> 01:32:12,600
that out because they're not connected

2346
01:32:18,530 --> 01:32:15,659
in in any way uh there has to be you

2347
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:18,540
know they cannot uh uh the Department of

2348
01:32:28,729 --> 01:32:22,800
Justice cannot uh issue a warrant to uh

2349
01:32:31,430 --> 01:32:28,739
USAF OSI and uh by contrast uh an Air

2350
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:31,440
Force JAG cannot uh authorize a warrant

2351
01:32:36,709 --> 01:32:33,600
by the to the FBI so it's two two

2352
01:32:38,689 --> 01:32:36,719
separate entities all right uh who is

2353
01:32:40,729 --> 01:32:38,699
next it's Frank Jones

2354
01:32:42,410 --> 01:32:40,739
the drummer

2355
01:32:45,410 --> 01:32:42,420
an analyst

2356
01:32:47,689 --> 01:32:45,420
are we doing well yeah I mean in terms

2357
01:32:49,850 --> 01:32:47,699
of the uh the FBI raid and things like

2358
01:32:52,430 --> 01:32:49,860
that I've actually been quite busy doing

2359
01:32:53,629 --> 01:32:52,440
drumming and analyzing over the last

2360
01:32:55,790 --> 01:32:53,639
couple of weeks I've not had a chance to

2361
01:32:58,010 --> 01:32:55,800
look into that particular case

2362
01:32:59,870 --> 01:32:58,020
um but I think um so I can't really

2363
01:33:01,970 --> 01:32:59,880
speak about that particular thing

2364
01:33:04,070 --> 01:33:01,980
without knowing all the the details but

2365
01:33:05,930 --> 01:33:04,080
I think more widely going back to what

2366
01:33:07,729 --> 01:33:05,940
what Dave was saying and and some of

2367
01:33:09,350 --> 01:33:07,739
what Chris was saying there as well I

2368
01:33:11,390 --> 01:33:09,360
think looking at the the bigger picture

2369
01:33:12,590 --> 01:33:11,400
you know again it spoke about a lot

2370
01:33:13,850 --> 01:33:12,600
isn't it you know people say oh the

2371
01:33:15,709 --> 01:33:13,860
government this the government that and

2372
01:33:17,390 --> 01:33:15,719
all the rest of it

2373
01:33:20,090 --> 01:33:17,400
um you know but really I think what's

2374
01:33:22,669 --> 01:33:20,100
happening is there's a group of of wanna

2375
01:33:24,770 --> 01:33:22,679
knows who have been you know trying to

2376
01:33:26,810 --> 01:33:24,780
get to the bottom of this from a pretty

2377
01:33:29,090 --> 01:33:26,820
high up level in terms of like some of

2378
01:33:29,990 --> 01:33:29,100
the scientists and and people who've

2379
01:33:31,370 --> 01:33:30,000
been involved people from the

2380
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:31,380
intelligence community over the years

2381
01:33:36,709 --> 01:33:33,360
over the decades and they've been trying

2382
01:33:38,930 --> 01:33:36,719
to get to what the in the nose know and

2383
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:38,940
there's all kinds of of wriggle out

2384
01:33:42,890 --> 01:33:41,280
attempts from whoever it is who's in the

2385
01:33:44,510 --> 01:33:42,900
know and again it's a it's a whole

2386
01:33:46,850 --> 01:33:44,520
separate podcast and separate debate

2387
01:33:49,129 --> 01:33:46,860
about what they actually know the extent

2388
01:33:50,450 --> 01:33:49,139
of what they know but going back to that

2389
01:33:54,290 --> 01:33:50,460
loose threads

2390
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:54,300
um incredible 240 odd page article and

2391
01:33:58,669 --> 01:33:56,400
that sort of very thoroughly documents

2392
01:34:00,470 --> 01:33:58,679
this group of of wanna knows going back

2393
01:34:02,990 --> 01:34:00,480
decades and decades

2394
01:34:04,790 --> 01:34:03,000
um of trying to get to whatever is the

2395
01:34:07,729 --> 01:34:04,800
in at the heart of that not that they're

2396
01:34:08,870 --> 01:34:07,739
trying to crack and um the uh those that

2397
01:34:11,270 --> 01:34:08,880
are actually holding on to that

2398
01:34:12,770 --> 01:34:11,280
knowledge do appear to be going through

2399
01:34:14,810 --> 01:34:12,780
all kinds of different techniques to

2400
01:34:16,669 --> 01:34:14,820
wriggle out of revealing any of it and

2401
01:34:19,610 --> 01:34:16,679
think that's something we'll continue to

2402
01:34:21,530 --> 01:34:19,620
see going along and um I think like I

2403
01:34:23,209 --> 01:34:21,540
say the government is such a huge

2404
01:34:25,490 --> 01:34:23,219
organization you've got the the wanna

2405
01:34:27,649 --> 01:34:25,500
knows you've got the in the nose and

2406
01:34:29,090 --> 01:34:27,659
then you've got probably 90 odd percent

2407
01:34:30,770 --> 01:34:29,100
of the government are just in between

2408
01:34:32,750 --> 01:34:30,780
who just doing jobs and don't have any

2409
01:34:34,310 --> 01:34:32,760
interest in this at all and don't have

2410
01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:34,320
any allegiance to either of those two

2411
01:34:37,850 --> 01:34:36,239
groups and they're kind of caught up in

2412
01:34:40,129 --> 01:34:37,860
the middle of that tug of war between

2413
01:34:41,810 --> 01:34:40,139
the in the nose and the one who knows

2414
01:34:43,250 --> 01:34:41,820
um but it's going to be interesting to

2415
01:34:46,629 --> 01:34:43,260
see how it plays out isn't it over the

2416
01:34:52,550 --> 01:34:50,810
share of the cab UFO UFO uh cab 401K

2417
01:34:53,990 --> 01:34:52,560
fund I agree because he just comes up

2418
01:34:55,370 --> 01:34:54,000
with so much material all right we're

2419
01:34:57,110 --> 01:34:55,380
gonna have to make this quick hitters

2420
01:34:59,030 --> 01:34:57,120
guys for the rest of the answers because

2421
01:35:01,129 --> 01:34:59,040
we've got to get the who on here so

2422
01:35:02,870 --> 01:35:01,139
let's make this quick hitters for for

2423
01:35:05,149 --> 01:35:02,880
the next couple of you please

2424
01:35:07,910 --> 01:35:05,159
definitely yeah I

2425
01:35:09,770 --> 01:35:07,920
a fantastic question Chris and I think

2426
01:35:12,530 --> 01:35:09,780
that yeah there is a an element within

2427
01:35:14,750 --> 01:35:12,540
the US Air Force that is trying to

2428
01:35:16,850 --> 01:35:14,760
hold on to what information it had and

2429
01:35:18,890 --> 01:35:16,860
not let things out and maintain the

2430
01:35:22,250 --> 01:35:18,900
status quo as they understood it by

2431
01:35:23,330 --> 01:35:22,260
whatever means and my only suspicion is

2432
01:35:24,830 --> 01:35:23,340
that that motivation is

2433
01:35:27,229 --> 01:35:24,840
self-preservation

2434
01:35:29,570 --> 01:35:27,239
in that they are the people who have

2435
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:29,580
been aware of it and not sharing the

2436
01:35:33,530 --> 01:35:31,199
information or they have been sharing

2437
01:35:35,030 --> 01:35:33,540
with information for commercial guidance

2438
01:35:36,590 --> 01:35:35,040
so they're doing what they can to

2439
01:35:38,149 --> 01:35:36,600
protect themselves and I think it's

2440
01:35:39,530 --> 01:35:38,159
we're watching the death throws of that

2441
01:35:42,410 --> 01:35:39,540
to be honest I think they're realizing

2442
01:35:47,330 --> 01:35:44,810
and with that I think we're going to

2443
01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:47,340
money Nathan

2444
01:35:51,770 --> 01:35:49,440
I'll be quick I think there's a like a

2445
01:35:52,850 --> 01:35:51,780
secrecy apparatus there's um you know

2446
01:35:55,070 --> 01:35:52,860
several different groups that are

2447
01:35:57,229 --> 01:35:55,080
working on things keeping it uh Secret

2448
01:35:59,149 --> 01:35:57,239
in heaven for some time and it's just a

2449
01:36:01,070 --> 01:35:59,159
really difficult to unwind that

2450
01:36:03,290 --> 01:36:01,080
so

2451
01:36:05,149 --> 01:36:03,300
and again we don't know we don't know

2452
01:36:06,770 --> 01:36:05,159
what evidence that those warrants were

2453
01:36:09,290 --> 01:36:06,780
based on so we don't know what they have

2454
01:36:11,030 --> 01:36:09,300
we don't know what what it was based on

2455
01:36:13,550 --> 01:36:11,040
what they saw that would be in their

2456
01:36:15,169 --> 01:36:13,560
interest if we did know that then we

2457
01:36:17,450 --> 01:36:15,179
could you know we could pass judgment on

2458
01:36:19,250 --> 01:36:17,460
it but up to now we just know that two

2459
01:36:21,830 --> 01:36:19,260
different organizations in two different

2460
01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:21,840
judges granted warrants on that let's

2461
01:36:25,250 --> 01:36:23,760
bring in uh Deb for her quick comments

2462
01:36:26,990 --> 01:36:25,260
and then we're going to take a quick

2463
01:36:28,610 --> 01:36:27,000
break so everyone can use the facilities

2464
01:36:30,830 --> 01:36:28,620
and we're going to bring on the hoop

2465
01:36:33,169 --> 01:36:30,840
yeah I just think again we have to be

2466
01:36:36,050 --> 01:36:33,179
cautious when we start getting close to

2467
01:36:38,209 --> 01:36:36,060
bases and possible National Security

2468
01:36:41,270 --> 01:36:38,219
issues like you know we've seen it time

2469
01:36:42,770 --> 01:36:41,280
and time again people get too close and

2470
01:36:44,510 --> 01:36:42,780
then they send out Dodie or something

2471
01:36:45,649 --> 01:36:44,520
like that you know it's like you got to

2472
01:36:47,090 --> 01:36:45,659
be careful

2473
01:36:49,669 --> 01:36:47,100
um we don't want to step into the wrong

2474
01:36:54,169 --> 01:36:52,370
our friend Richard Doty

2475
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:54,179
Hunter he got to meet a bunch of our

2476
01:36:59,930 --> 01:36:56,880
homies from the UK all right uh I want

2477
01:37:01,729 --> 01:36:59,940
to say thank you very much to uh Frank

2478
01:37:02,810 --> 01:37:01,739
Jones

2479
01:37:06,110 --> 01:37:02,820
um I want to say thank you to

2480
01:37:08,750 --> 01:37:06,120
Christopher sharp to Davey Johnston who

2481
01:37:11,030 --> 01:37:08,760
came up uh with another amazing question

2482
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:11,040
to the legendary

2483
01:37:18,590 --> 01:37:15,600
Dave Smothers who will be on a very a

2484
01:37:20,510 --> 01:37:18,600
very uh soon an episode of cab very

2485
01:37:22,729 --> 01:37:20,520
relatively soon to talk ancient

2486
01:37:26,450 --> 01:37:22,739
structures with Dan Warren while Nathan

2487
01:37:27,709 --> 01:37:26,460
Nigel huh this is cool uh and devs as

2488
01:37:30,110 --> 01:37:27,719
well

2489
01:37:33,290 --> 01:37:30,120
um thank you Ash for coming on um that

2490
01:37:34,850 --> 01:37:33,300
was a banger man that's all I got to say

2491
01:37:36,229 --> 01:37:34,860
thank you brother

2492
01:37:38,030 --> 01:37:36,239
um all right so we're gonna say goodbye

2493
01:37:40,010 --> 01:37:38,040
to these guys for now we're gonna bring

2494
01:37:42,770 --> 01:37:40,020
on The Who and we're going to take a

2495
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:42,780
quick break let everybody use use the

2496
01:37:46,430 --> 01:37:44,880
restroom and then we'll come back on so

2497
01:37:47,629 --> 01:37:46,440
just give it give us a couple seconds

2498
01:37:49,310 --> 01:37:47,639
okay

2499
01:38:02,629 --> 01:37:49,320
sounds good all right bring on the who

2500
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:04,370
just gonna put everybody off for just a

2501
01:38:39,110 --> 01:38:34,209
what's up y'all

2502
01:38:43,129 --> 01:38:39,120
hey how are you Holly

2503
01:38:44,750 --> 01:38:43,139
hi everyone welcome Holly Jill Vinnie

2504
01:38:46,370 --> 01:38:44,760
and I know we had Graham but I know he

2505
01:38:48,530 --> 01:38:46,380
had an early bedtime so I think we're

2506
01:38:50,930 --> 01:38:48,540
gonna have to catch up with him another

2507
01:38:52,490 --> 01:38:50,940
another time but uh

2508
01:38:54,169 --> 01:38:52,500
Holly you're here to help fill in which

2509
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:54,179
would be fantastic so we've got a full

2510
01:38:57,709 --> 01:38:56,159
panel and I guess Frank Milburn did you

2511
01:39:00,649 --> 01:38:57,719
guys were you hanging with him or is he

2512
01:39:02,209 --> 01:39:00,659
uh we were Frank was having audio issues

2513
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:02,219
and all sorts of things he might still

2514
01:39:06,890 --> 01:39:04,080
pop back on

2515
01:39:08,689 --> 01:39:06,900
um yeah this is gonna be that Led

2516
01:39:10,810 --> 01:39:08,699
Zeppelin I gotta give it a huge shout

2517
01:39:14,090 --> 01:39:10,820
out to all of those guys they smashed it

2518
01:39:16,250 --> 01:39:14,100
so so good I wanted to be in on that

2519
01:39:20,110 --> 01:39:16,260
conversation every single talking point

2520
01:39:23,209 --> 01:39:20,120
was amazing so kudos to those guys yeah

2521
01:39:26,090 --> 01:39:23,219
I wanted to make a positive statement

2522
01:39:28,729 --> 01:39:26,100
about not getting to see Graham today I

2523
01:39:30,350 --> 01:39:28,739
am going to have him on the dojo New

2524
01:39:32,570 --> 01:39:30,360
Year's Eve so we're gonna talk about the

2525
01:39:34,930 --> 01:39:32,580
book so that gives me until the end of

2526
01:39:39,290 --> 01:39:34,940
the year to finish the book

2527
01:39:40,910 --> 01:39:39,300
Graham Randall on uh on uh Deb's dad and

2528
01:39:43,189 --> 01:39:40,920
Dojo so everybody check in for that so

2529
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:43,199
we are down Graham Randall and we are

2530
01:39:46,689 --> 01:39:44,639
down

2531
01:39:50,090 --> 01:39:46,699
um Davey excuse me

2532
01:39:52,250 --> 01:39:50,100
potentially Frank milberg oh no he's

2533
01:39:55,370 --> 01:39:52,260
coming on so I think we'll get him on

2534
01:39:57,169 --> 01:39:55,380
awesome okay Nathan take it away brother

2535
01:39:58,610 --> 01:39:57,179
all right great so you guys I think most

2536
01:40:00,649 --> 01:39:58,620
of you got a chance to watch the first

2537
01:40:03,950 --> 01:40:00,659
session so we're gonna go around and uh

2538
01:40:06,050 --> 01:40:03,960
you know kind of panel discussion uh

2539
01:40:08,750 --> 01:40:06,060
looking forward to your topic and then

2540
01:40:10,129 --> 01:40:08,760
your response and uh let's just get into

2541
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:10,139
it so Vinnie I want to start with you

2542
01:40:13,970 --> 01:40:11,760
since you're kind of in the order that

2543
01:40:16,189 --> 01:40:13,980
I'm looking at so if you wanna kick it

2544
01:40:19,010 --> 01:40:16,199
off for us let's go awesome thank you so

2545
01:40:20,810 --> 01:40:19,020
much guys yeah this is really uh Led

2546
01:40:23,390 --> 01:40:20,820
Zeppelin really set the bar very very

2547
01:40:24,169 --> 01:40:23,400
high there so yeah again kudos to those

2548
01:40:26,990 --> 01:40:24,179
guys

2549
01:40:28,790 --> 01:40:27,000
um I do want to say I did guess that

2550
01:40:30,890 --> 01:40:28,800
Holly would be the the other special

2551
01:40:32,810 --> 01:40:30,900
guest so Holly it's awesome to see you

2552
01:40:34,430 --> 01:40:32,820
really is

2553
01:40:36,590 --> 01:40:34,440
um yeah they raised some really big

2554
01:40:40,270 --> 01:40:36,600
talking points there um but I came with

2555
01:40:43,490 --> 01:40:40,280
some ammunition you know I was

2556
01:40:46,129 --> 01:40:43,500
my God's not empty baby don't get too

2557
01:40:47,450 --> 01:40:46,139
comfortable Led Zeppelin I've got a lot

2558
01:40:48,890 --> 01:40:47,460
of talking points in front of me and I

2559
01:40:50,750 --> 01:40:48,900
was gonna pick one at the last minute

2560
01:40:51,950 --> 01:40:50,760
which I'm gonna do so I was gonna you

2561
01:40:54,229 --> 01:40:51,960
know we're nearing the kind of Christmas

2562
01:40:56,810 --> 01:40:54,239
period I was gonna come with the big

2563
01:40:58,790 --> 01:40:56,820
existential questions like does Santa

2564
01:41:01,070 --> 01:40:58,800
Claus hold the secrets to anti-gravity

2565
01:41:03,530 --> 01:41:01,080
and time manipulation but you know we

2566
01:41:05,090 --> 01:41:03,540
won't go there just yet so no my

2567
01:41:07,610 --> 01:41:05,100
question is smoke about Smoking Gun

2568
01:41:09,470 --> 01:41:07,620
evidence and you know James Fox recently

2569
01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:09,480
released his documentary moment of

2570
01:41:13,610 --> 01:41:11,520
contact and ever since the release he's

2571
01:41:16,490 --> 01:41:13,620
been doing a multitude of interviews and

2572
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,500
talking about this footage that is said

2573
01:41:21,169 --> 01:41:18,960
to exist that shows these beings you

2574
01:41:23,629 --> 01:41:21,179
know and if that is legitimate then that

2575
01:41:25,189 --> 01:41:23,639
could be a real game changer so my

2576
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:25,199
question and talking point really is

2577
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,600
about if we get to see this footage that

2578
01:41:30,770 --> 01:41:29,760
James Fox is confident he will get his

2579
01:41:33,169 --> 01:41:30,780
hands on

2580
01:41:35,209 --> 01:41:33,179
how does that change the conversation if

2581
01:41:37,250 --> 01:41:35,219
it's proven to be real does that make

2582
01:41:38,810 --> 01:41:37,260
the government irrelevant or do we then

2583
01:41:40,669 --> 01:41:38,820
go to the government and say what have

2584
01:41:42,530 --> 01:41:40,679
you got to say about this and when they

2585
01:41:45,410 --> 01:41:42,540
answered do we accept their first answer

2586
01:41:48,470 --> 01:41:45,420
if they play ignorant do we say we don't

2587
01:41:49,790 --> 01:41:48,480
believe you so you know it does you know

2588
01:41:51,770 --> 01:41:49,800
we've all been waiting for this report

2589
01:41:53,930 --> 01:41:51,780
and for the government to say this and

2590
01:41:56,270 --> 01:41:53,940
that and but coming from that other

2591
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:56,280
angle what do you think will happen in

2592
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:57,600
the kind of whole big picture of

2593
01:42:02,390 --> 01:42:00,480
disclosure if we get an outside Source

2594
01:42:05,209 --> 01:42:02,400
coming with a legitimate video showing

2595
01:42:07,129 --> 01:42:05,219
beings from not of this Earth

2596
01:42:10,010 --> 01:42:07,139
and it's an excellent question I'm going

2597
01:42:11,090 --> 01:42:10,020
to pass that to Holly uh Holly is uh one

2598
01:42:13,010 --> 01:42:11,100
of the hosts of the weird sisters

2599
01:42:14,149 --> 01:42:13,020
podcast you know check that out if you

2600
01:42:15,470 --> 01:42:14,159
haven't had a chance to it's an

2601
01:42:16,790 --> 01:42:15,480
excellent show

2602
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:16,800
um Holly great to have you with us this

2603
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:17,520
evening

2604
01:42:23,090 --> 01:42:21,600
so how do you respond to this topic

2605
01:42:25,129 --> 01:42:23,100
oh we can't we're not hearing your sound

2606
01:42:28,850 --> 01:42:25,139
sorry

2607
01:42:36,470 --> 01:42:31,310
oh barely yeah you're in the background

2608
01:42:39,229 --> 01:42:38,209
let me see if I can boost you here have

2609
01:42:42,169 --> 01:42:39,239
a look brother

2610
01:42:44,930 --> 01:42:42,179
can you hear me now we can barely hear

2611
01:42:47,149 --> 01:42:44,940
you check your settings on your end

2612
01:42:49,250 --> 01:42:47,159
hello

2613
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:49,260
okay I boosted her all the way we will

2614
01:42:54,470 --> 01:42:52,560
just have to yeah check check all the

2615
01:42:56,510 --> 01:42:54,480
settings you know what let's do this

2616
01:42:58,370 --> 01:42:56,520
Nathan why don't we go to somebody else

2617
01:43:00,109 --> 01:42:58,380
and then Holly check the settings

2618
01:43:02,270 --> 01:43:00,119
because we have you all the way up on

2619
01:43:04,129 --> 01:43:02,280
our end so check both your microphone

2620
01:43:06,290 --> 01:43:04,139
make sure you're using the same mic in

2621
01:43:07,669 --> 01:43:06,300
your laptop whatever you're using check

2622
01:43:10,689 --> 01:43:07,679
settings on the bottom of stream yard

2623
01:43:13,490 --> 01:43:10,699
you can't be mate you

2624
01:43:16,810 --> 01:43:13,500
I am all the way up

2625
01:43:20,030 --> 01:43:16,820
nothing can stop me I'm all the way up

2626
01:43:21,410 --> 01:43:20,040
I'll call you I don't need he loves

2627
01:43:23,450 --> 01:43:21,420
hip-hop so he got that

2628
01:43:26,270 --> 01:43:23,460
nothing can stop me I'm all the way up

2629
01:43:28,070 --> 01:43:26,280
I'm gonna call you off offline let's go

2630
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:28,080
to the next person I'll call you

2631
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:30,239
that's great I'll mute myself all right

2632
01:43:34,669 --> 01:43:32,880
uh so Jill we've got Jill with us and

2633
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:34,679
Jill uh tell us what about your

2634
01:43:37,669 --> 01:43:36,239
background I'm not as familiar with it

2635
01:43:39,229 --> 01:43:37,679
but I know you're an experiencer and

2636
01:43:40,430 --> 01:43:39,239
we're really grateful to have you with

2637
01:43:42,229 --> 01:43:40,440
us this evening so before you answer

2638
01:43:45,050 --> 01:43:42,239
that if you just want to give us a a

2639
01:43:47,510 --> 01:43:45,060
quick uh update about yourself that'd be

2640
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:53,149
you're on mute

2641
01:43:53,159 --> 01:43:56,570
can everyone hear me now

2642
01:44:01,129 --> 01:43:59,270
loud and clear sounds good yeah okay

2643
01:44:04,310 --> 01:44:01,139
excellent

2644
01:44:06,950 --> 01:44:04,320
um my background is military British

2645
01:44:10,669 --> 01:44:06,960
Army I was in for 10 years and I've been

2646
01:44:14,030 --> 01:44:10,679
out quite a while now um mum of two kids

2647
01:44:17,090 --> 01:44:14,040
um and I had an incredible experience uh

2648
01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:17,100
during the first lockdown

2649
01:44:20,870 --> 01:44:18,480
um I don't know do you guys want to hear

2650
01:44:26,149 --> 01:44:23,990
sure yeah you can give it give us the

2651
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:26,159
five minute summary that'd be great

2652
01:44:28,689 --> 01:44:28,080
yeah sure so

2653
01:44:31,250 --> 01:44:28,699
um

2654
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:31,260
during the first lockdown it was

2655
01:44:36,590 --> 01:44:33,360
incredibly quiet here and my neighbor

2656
01:44:39,050 --> 01:44:36,600
and I uh Joe decided to start taking

2657
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:39,060
walks in the evening so we'd leave the

2658
01:44:44,390 --> 01:44:40,800
house about 10 o'clock at night and walk

2659
01:44:46,030 --> 01:44:44,400
around the village I I live in as a

2660
01:44:50,750 --> 01:44:46,040
small town

2661
01:44:52,910 --> 01:44:50,760
and one evening we were walking back in

2662
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:52,920
uh up through a park back up to the

2663
01:44:58,090 --> 01:44:54,000
house

2664
01:45:00,890 --> 01:44:58,100
and I noticed a really bright

2665
01:45:02,510 --> 01:45:00,900
I don't know star or whatever you want

2666
01:45:04,910 --> 01:45:02,520
to call it I thought it was the front

2667
01:45:07,010 --> 01:45:04,920
end of a helicopter

2668
01:45:09,709 --> 01:45:07,020
um and I was looking like this and I

2669
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:09,719
said what's that and

2670
01:45:15,590 --> 01:45:12,719
as I I can only describe it like this as

2671
01:45:19,070 --> 01:45:15,600
I saw it it saw me

2672
01:45:20,629 --> 01:45:19,080
and it zoomed right in

2673
01:45:24,050 --> 01:45:20,639
to about

2674
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:24,060
30 foot so just above the houses like a

2675
01:45:27,830 --> 01:45:25,440
two-story house

2676
01:45:30,290 --> 01:45:27,840
and hovered there

2677
01:45:33,290 --> 01:45:30,300
it was probably a little bit larger than

2678
01:45:35,689 --> 01:45:33,300
a basketball it had

2679
01:45:39,050 --> 01:45:35,699
um what looked like lightning strikes

2680
01:45:40,189 --> 01:45:39,060
coming out of it and it hovered there

2681
01:45:42,709 --> 01:45:40,199
for a while

2682
01:45:44,450 --> 01:45:42,719
and then just floated off into the

2683
01:45:46,669 --> 01:45:44,460
distance up over the hills and then

2684
01:45:47,450 --> 01:45:46,679
where there's um sort of farms and

2685
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:47,460
things

2686
01:45:54,950 --> 01:45:52,320
and but that continued for nine evenings

2687
01:45:57,290 --> 01:45:54,960
um in different locations because we

2688
01:45:58,970 --> 01:45:57,300
wanted to test if it was going to

2689
01:46:02,450 --> 01:45:58,980
different places if it was coming to see

2690
01:46:04,970 --> 01:46:02,460
us and my kids saw it my neighbor

2691
01:46:07,850 --> 01:46:04,980
obviously saw it

2692
01:46:10,129 --> 01:46:07,860
um and after that I think over the

2693
01:46:13,310 --> 01:46:10,139
period of about two years I had um

2694
01:46:16,669 --> 01:46:13,320
various sightings of different crafts

2695
01:46:17,870 --> 01:46:16,679
and I've seen teardrop shapes I've seen

2696
01:46:20,870 --> 01:46:17,880
huge

2697
01:46:24,410 --> 01:46:20,880
um black ones that are blacker than the

2698
01:46:27,770 --> 01:46:24,420
sky but with green and pink lights on

2699
01:46:30,649 --> 01:46:27,780
the peripheral of it and

2700
01:46:33,169 --> 01:46:30,659
I suppose you get the usual

2701
01:46:36,950 --> 01:46:33,179
and there it's not like they're quiet

2702
01:46:40,189 --> 01:46:36,960
it's like the area is muted everything

2703
01:46:43,010 --> 01:46:40,199
is muted when they appear

2704
01:46:46,250 --> 01:46:43,020
I did at some point try to film

2705
01:46:49,010 --> 01:46:46,260
uh before that I felt like it was rude I

2706
01:46:52,609 --> 01:46:49,020
I can't explain it any other way

2707
01:46:54,350 --> 01:46:52,619
um and so when I did try to film and it

2708
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:54,360
was to send to my mum you know it was

2709
01:46:59,629 --> 01:46:57,360
for nothing else and as I tried to send

2710
01:47:02,270 --> 01:46:59,639
it to her I played it again to look at

2711
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:02,280
it and for the first time ever it was

2712
01:47:07,310 --> 01:47:04,560
corrupted the video was corrupted it

2713
01:47:08,990 --> 01:47:07,320
went from not to 38 seconds like this

2714
01:47:11,810 --> 01:47:09,000
and

2715
01:47:12,530 --> 01:47:11,820
um that was never repaired

2716
01:47:15,770 --> 01:47:12,540
um

2717
01:47:17,330 --> 01:47:15,780
the other locations we went to were just

2718
01:47:19,490 --> 01:47:17,340
up the back here where I walked the dog

2719
01:47:22,669 --> 01:47:19,500
and there's lots of fields there and we

2720
01:47:25,010 --> 01:47:22,679
went up and sat and there's um a row of

2721
01:47:29,030 --> 01:47:25,020
pine trees they're about 30 foot as well

2722
01:47:31,729 --> 01:47:29,040
and it came up and over the pine trees

2723
01:47:34,970 --> 01:47:31,739
very very slowly at this point it was a

2724
01:47:37,189 --> 01:47:34,980
lemon yellow color with the same

2725
01:47:42,770 --> 01:47:37,199
Sparkles or whatever coming out of the

2726
01:47:45,530 --> 01:47:42,780
side of it and and we watched it

2727
01:47:49,010 --> 01:47:45,540
go in front of us like this and this is

2728
01:47:51,169 --> 01:47:49,020
it must be 20 30 foot and then go along

2729
01:47:53,450 --> 01:47:51,179
the Hedgerow and as it was going off

2730
01:47:55,129 --> 01:47:53,460
into the distance it got smaller and

2731
01:47:56,689 --> 01:47:55,139
smaller so it started to look like a

2732
01:47:59,689 --> 01:47:56,699
satellite and we're still watching it

2733
01:48:03,709 --> 01:47:59,699
and another one came from the left and

2734
01:48:07,609 --> 01:48:03,719
as if two intercept it and then it shut

2735
01:48:09,709 --> 01:48:07,619
off into the stratosphere and so I had

2736
01:48:12,649 --> 01:48:09,719
some really incredible sightings

2737
01:48:15,530 --> 01:48:12,659
and that's it in a nutshell I suppose

2738
01:48:17,390 --> 01:48:15,540
I think that that's fantastic that's no

2739
01:48:19,129 --> 01:48:17,400
small experience well I mean that's a

2740
01:48:20,510 --> 01:48:19,139
good segue I think to to Vinnie's

2741
01:48:22,550 --> 01:48:20,520
question so you've had a personal

2742
01:48:24,109 --> 01:48:22,560
experience with this and I'm sure that

2743
01:48:27,229 --> 01:48:24,119
it's changed you in some some profound

2744
01:48:29,030 --> 01:48:27,239
ways and and Vinnie's topic about what

2745
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:29,040
would happen if some actual evidence

2746
01:48:33,950 --> 01:48:31,440
like we've been hearing about from uh

2747
01:48:35,810 --> 01:48:33,960
James Fox about an actual Creature if

2748
01:48:36,890 --> 01:48:35,820
that were to get released in in the into

2749
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:36,900
the public what do you think the

2750
01:48:42,050 --> 01:48:38,639
response would be

2751
01:48:46,129 --> 01:48:44,149
I've seen things

2752
01:48:48,890 --> 01:48:46,139
in broad daylight

2753
01:48:50,629 --> 01:48:48,900
and everyone is looking down everyone is

2754
01:48:51,709 --> 01:48:50,639
on their phone they're getting over

2755
01:48:54,050 --> 01:48:51,719
their lives

2756
01:48:56,689 --> 01:48:54,060
they just don't see it they're not

2757
01:48:58,850 --> 01:48:56,699
looking and I don't know the culture

2758
01:48:59,629 --> 01:48:58,860
that we're living in today

2759
01:49:01,310 --> 01:48:59,639
um

2760
01:49:03,950 --> 01:49:01,320
I don't know if they'd take any interest

2761
01:49:06,770 --> 01:49:03,960
I really don't I think people like us

2762
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:06,780
would be interested but people are so

2763
01:49:12,410 --> 01:49:08,880
focused on their own personal lives and

2764
01:49:16,070 --> 01:49:12,420
what's happening in their circles and

2765
01:49:19,189 --> 01:49:16,080
I I don't really know how um the general

2766
01:49:20,689 --> 01:49:19,199
public would respond anymore maybe years

2767
01:49:25,070 --> 01:49:20,699
ago there would have been more interest

2768
01:49:27,530 --> 01:49:25,080
but now it's so commercialized

2769
01:49:30,169 --> 01:49:27,540
um and of course someone would debunk it

2770
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:30,179
or you know there would always be

2771
01:49:33,350 --> 01:49:31,679
controversy

2772
01:49:34,910 --> 01:49:33,360
so I think it's really difficult to

2773
01:49:37,250 --> 01:49:34,920
answer that question there's always

2774
01:49:38,090 --> 01:49:37,260
going to be someone saying it's not real

2775
01:49:40,010 --> 01:49:38,100
right

2776
01:49:41,270 --> 01:49:40,020
um really difficult

2777
01:49:43,250 --> 01:49:41,280
um

2778
01:49:45,590 --> 01:49:43,260
yeah I agree

2779
01:49:46,780 --> 01:49:45,600
Holly want to try uh your mic again

2780
01:49:54,649 --> 01:49:46,790
let's see if we can

2781
01:49:54,659 --> 01:49:58,510
die

2782
01:49:58,520 --> 01:50:03,490
there we go much better

2783
01:50:06,590 --> 01:50:05,570
so um yes

2784
01:50:08,750 --> 01:50:06,600
yeah

2785
01:50:10,070 --> 01:50:08,760
um we might have to navigate back to the

2786
01:50:12,649 --> 01:50:10,080
question because I got all a bit

2787
01:50:14,270 --> 01:50:12,659
flustered with sound sorry Benny what

2788
01:50:16,910 --> 01:50:14,280
was the question again

2789
01:50:18,410 --> 01:50:16,920
so you know so James Fox has been

2790
01:50:20,090 --> 01:50:18,420
discussing recently

2791
01:50:22,609 --> 01:50:20,100
um since the release of his documentary

2792
01:50:25,370 --> 01:50:22,619
on the bargina case that he's in contact

2793
01:50:26,870 --> 01:50:25,380
with people who claim to have a a 30

2794
01:50:28,910 --> 01:50:26,880
second plus

2795
01:50:31,070 --> 01:50:28,920
um video showing the actual creature

2796
01:50:33,770 --> 01:50:31,080
that was supposedly captured during that

2797
01:50:36,109 --> 01:50:33,780
incident back in 1996 and he is

2798
01:50:37,609 --> 01:50:36,119
confident that at some point he will get

2799
01:50:39,950 --> 01:50:37,619
hold of this footage and be able to

2800
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:39,960
release it now if that's the case and it

2801
01:50:43,490 --> 01:50:41,760
is released does that make the

2802
01:50:45,950 --> 01:50:43,500
government irrelevant because we have

2803
01:50:47,930 --> 01:50:45,960
conclusive proof and I mean if James Fox

2804
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:47,940
releases it it still has to be proven to

2805
01:50:52,250 --> 01:50:50,400
be real but if that's the case from you

2806
01:50:54,709 --> 01:50:52,260
know various sources then people have

2807
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:54,719
analyzed it yes this is real footage

2808
01:50:59,149 --> 01:50:57,119
does the government become Irrelevant

2809
01:51:01,550 --> 01:50:59,159
for their information but at the same

2810
01:51:04,189 --> 01:51:01,560
time when we ask the government about

2811
01:51:06,830 --> 01:51:04,199
what they know do we accept their first

2812
01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:06,840
answer you know if it's just a bit vague

2813
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:09,119
and they play ignorant you know where

2814
01:51:14,510 --> 01:51:11,040
does the conversation go from there that

2815
01:51:17,330 --> 01:51:14,520
we've got this legitimate footage

2816
01:51:21,590 --> 01:51:17,340
it's it's a really interesting one isn't

2817
01:51:22,189 --> 01:51:21,600
it I am firstly when I seen James's film

2818
01:51:24,890 --> 01:51:22,199
um

2819
01:51:27,950 --> 01:51:24,900
the one thing that really stuck with me

2820
01:51:31,790 --> 01:51:27,960
after that film was um how that little

2821
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:31,800
being was projecting its fear and those

2822
01:51:36,410 --> 01:51:34,560
girls felt its fear and it stuck with me

2823
01:51:38,090 --> 01:51:36,420
quite horrifically for it for a few days

2824
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:38,100
afterwards and

2825
01:51:41,629 --> 01:51:39,840
you know watching him on your show and

2826
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:41,639
other people's show hearing him talk

2827
01:51:46,430 --> 01:51:43,679
about this evidence I posed this

2828
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:46,440
question to myself quite a few times you

2829
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:49,199
know what would we do if if it came from

2830
01:51:54,229 --> 01:51:51,840
another source I think

2831
01:51:55,970 --> 01:51:54,239
I think there would still be this strong

2832
01:51:57,709 --> 01:51:55,980
disbelief

2833
01:52:00,770 --> 01:51:57,719
um I think there's a lot of the the

2834
01:52:02,810 --> 01:52:00,780
general everyday people that that no

2835
01:52:04,970 --> 01:52:02,820
matter where the source comes from they

2836
01:52:08,090 --> 01:52:04,980
would they still would be entrusting of

2837
01:52:10,550 --> 01:52:08,100
it I think a lot of people aren't aren't

2838
01:52:14,030 --> 01:52:10,560
wanting to to accept the reality of the

2839
01:52:16,609 --> 01:52:14,040
situation that that there is beings

2840
01:52:17,870 --> 01:52:16,619
other intelligences from you know I

2841
01:52:19,550 --> 01:52:17,880
don't know where they're from I don't

2842
01:52:21,649 --> 01:52:19,560
know where they live I don't know if

2843
01:52:23,629 --> 01:52:21,659
they're dimensional you know I I don't

2844
01:52:26,930 --> 01:52:23,639
know I just don't think there would be

2845
01:52:28,970 --> 01:52:26,940
worldwide acceptance as quickly as as

2846
01:52:31,790 --> 01:52:28,980
maybe those of us that are into the

2847
01:52:34,609 --> 01:52:31,800
topic would would take and and and and

2848
01:52:37,070 --> 01:52:34,619
digest I would love to be in that

2849
01:52:39,410 --> 01:52:37,080
situation I would absolutely you know

2850
01:52:41,629 --> 01:52:39,420
you know dance around with some trousers

2851
01:52:44,030 --> 01:52:41,639
on my head if that happens and James did

2852
01:52:45,410 --> 01:52:44,040
get his hands on I've got such a way

2853
01:52:46,609 --> 01:52:45,420
with words I know

2854
01:52:50,990 --> 01:52:46,619
um

2855
01:52:53,689 --> 01:52:51,000
you can on on on on this footage and you

2856
01:52:55,669 --> 01:52:53,699
know I hear he is very confident that he

2857
01:52:58,910 --> 01:52:55,679
can but I just don't think we would have

2858
01:53:02,450 --> 01:52:58,920
the the worldwide reaction that that we

2859
01:53:05,870 --> 01:53:02,460
would hope I think the people need

2860
01:53:07,910 --> 01:53:05,880
a government stamp to make it real even

2861
01:53:10,310 --> 01:53:07,920
though I think those of us that are into

2862
01:53:12,709 --> 01:53:10,320
the topic might not

2863
01:53:15,350 --> 01:53:12,719
um that I think people still need like

2864
01:53:17,030 --> 01:53:15,360
this is real from from the powers that

2865
01:53:19,070 --> 01:53:17,040
be in you know we all know that the

2866
01:53:20,810 --> 01:53:19,080
powers that be don't tell the truth we

2867
01:53:23,750 --> 01:53:20,820
know that there's been 70 odd years of

2868
01:53:26,629 --> 01:53:23,760
secrecy we know we've been sent in

2869
01:53:29,450 --> 01:53:26,639
misdirections numerous times so

2870
01:53:33,609 --> 01:53:29,460
um yeah Hard One to answer but my God

2871
01:53:39,530 --> 01:53:36,950
absolutely uh fantastic well Frank I'd

2872
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:39,540
love to get your thoughts on this um

2873
01:53:46,010 --> 01:53:44,450
sounds good

2874
01:53:48,410 --> 01:53:46,020
okay yeah I was gonna say in time

2875
01:53:50,629 --> 01:53:48,420
releasing the footage um and if it's you

2876
01:53:53,030 --> 01:53:50,639
know proven beyond all doubt to be to be

2877
01:53:58,850 --> 01:53:55,310
I don't think that makes the government

2878
01:54:00,590 --> 01:53:58,860
irrelevant first government because

2879
01:54:03,229 --> 01:54:00,600
the question well if the footage is real

2880
01:54:05,390 --> 01:54:03,239
then what's the Prof shot down what was

2881
01:54:08,149 --> 01:54:05,400
the role of the USA air force in terms

2882
01:54:09,770 --> 01:54:08,159
of arriving in country uh was a ongoing

2883
01:54:12,229 --> 01:54:09,780
program between the Brazilian government

2884
01:54:14,510 --> 01:54:12,239
and to the Americans

2885
01:54:15,709 --> 01:54:14,520
in terms of recovery of craft possibly

2886
01:54:17,570 --> 01:54:15,719
Downing across

2887
01:54:19,910 --> 01:54:17,580
recovery across and Associated beings

2888
01:54:21,290 --> 01:54:19,920
and um you know how long has this been

2889
01:54:23,450 --> 01:54:21,300
going on what are the results of any

2890
01:54:25,250 --> 01:54:23,460
research from that uh are there any live

2891
01:54:26,770 --> 01:54:25,260
beings that were recovered

2892
01:54:28,970 --> 01:54:26,780
um so I think

2893
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:28,980
more of a can of ones for the American

2894
01:54:33,229 --> 01:54:31,440
government and the Brazilian government

2895
01:54:35,149 --> 01:54:33,239
um if the footage is in fact proven to

2896
01:54:36,950 --> 01:54:35,159
be real

2897
01:54:42,830 --> 01:54:36,960
yeah

2898
01:54:44,450 --> 01:54:42,840
um man this is such a like this topic is

2899
01:54:47,270 --> 01:54:44,460
I thought about this a good bit right

2900
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:47,280
it's um like who's in charge of this

2901
01:54:52,010 --> 01:54:49,440
message right and who do we need to hear

2902
01:54:55,250 --> 01:54:52,020
from in order to legitimize this and

2903
01:54:57,649 --> 01:54:55,260
take it seriously on a worldwide stage I

2904
01:55:01,550 --> 01:54:57,659
think that that is the question uh and

2905
01:55:03,169 --> 01:55:01,560
we don't live in a world that has uh you

2906
01:55:06,470 --> 01:55:03,179
know the trust in its institutions that

2907
01:55:09,649 --> 01:55:06,480
it used to and so we're dealing with a

2908
01:55:12,229 --> 01:55:09,659
very fragmented uh state of Truth quote

2909
01:55:14,510 --> 01:55:12,239
unquote and so who are the parties that

2910
01:55:17,930 --> 01:55:14,520
will need to get behind throw their

2911
01:55:19,970 --> 01:55:17,940
weight behind evidence or the message or

2912
01:55:21,470 --> 01:55:19,980
whatever it is for everyone to take it

2913
01:55:22,550 --> 01:55:21,480
seriously because I think we live in a

2914
01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:22,560
world where we have billions of

2915
01:55:28,270 --> 01:55:24,960
different truths everyone operates in

2916
01:55:31,790 --> 01:55:28,280
their own you know information bubble so

2917
01:55:33,830 --> 01:55:31,800
that's why I think the experiencer piece

2918
01:55:38,209 --> 01:55:33,840
is actually a pretty big part of this

2919
01:55:40,129 --> 01:55:38,219
because to me once you have an official

2920
01:55:42,590 --> 01:55:40,139
kind of disclosure from that type of

2921
01:55:44,149 --> 01:55:42,600
evidence not only that but also perhaps

2922
01:55:46,490 --> 01:55:44,159
a government piece then you have the

2923
01:55:48,590 --> 01:55:46,500
experiencer piece which is your your

2924
01:55:50,030 --> 01:55:48,600
neighbor your your mother your brother

2925
01:55:52,910 --> 01:55:50,040
you know these are people that you know

2926
01:55:57,470 --> 01:55:52,920
who then tell you I've had something

2927
01:56:00,229 --> 01:55:57,480
happen to me like this it's real and

2928
01:56:02,030 --> 01:56:00,239
that is hard to ignore and we've heard

2929
01:56:04,669 --> 01:56:02,040
the stories that we've heard I know many

2930
01:56:06,350 --> 01:56:04,679
of us have on this panel it's it's

2931
01:56:08,270 --> 01:56:06,360
something that you can't shake you can't

2932
01:56:10,910 --> 01:56:08,280
just kind of easily brush that off when

2933
01:56:13,070 --> 01:56:10,920
you've heard that kind of story over and

2934
01:56:14,570 --> 01:56:13,080
over again with similar details from so

2935
01:56:17,450 --> 01:56:14,580
many different people from all walks of

2936
01:56:19,430 --> 01:56:17,460
life it's very difficult to ignore that

2937
01:56:21,649 --> 01:56:19,440
kind of Truth and I think that's that's

2938
01:56:25,129 --> 01:56:21,659
the secret kind of uh Power of the

2939
01:56:28,250 --> 01:56:25,139
experience or uh reality is that it it

2940
01:56:31,129 --> 01:56:28,260
is intermingled throughout our world and

2941
01:56:32,990 --> 01:56:31,139
will help in making this effective

2942
01:56:36,470 --> 01:56:33,000
whenever we've kind of hit that

2943
01:56:38,090 --> 01:56:36,480
transition or Tipping Point

2944
01:56:40,729 --> 01:56:38,100
I want to hear from DJ what do you think

2945
01:56:43,070 --> 01:56:40,739
about that DJ

2946
01:56:44,930 --> 01:56:43,080
um I I tend to agree with you know it's

2947
01:56:47,030 --> 01:56:44,940
it's funny that Davey posed a very

2948
01:56:48,770 --> 01:56:47,040
similar question to that you know a

2949
01:56:51,169 --> 01:56:48,780
similar answer to that you know who do

2950
01:56:53,450 --> 01:56:51,179
we need to hear from and a lot of people

2951
01:56:55,729 --> 01:56:53,460
will look at the Brazilians especially

2952
01:56:57,950 --> 01:56:55,739
if they're an exceptionalist we have a

2953
01:56:59,930 --> 01:56:57,960
lot of American exceptionalists that if

2954
01:57:04,250 --> 01:56:59,940
it didn't emanate from this country and

2955
01:57:06,709 --> 01:57:04,260
is not uh been broadcast or espoused or

2956
01:57:09,410 --> 01:57:06,719
formed in this country and I've heard I

2957
01:57:10,850 --> 01:57:09,420
have friends in MotoGP and I'm like hey

2958
01:57:12,109 --> 01:57:10,860
how come you're not watching MotoGP

2959
01:57:14,270 --> 01:57:12,119
right now they're like oh cause there's

2960
01:57:16,310 --> 01:57:14,280
no Brits in it so we're watching Moto 2

2961
01:57:17,629 --> 01:57:16,320
and we're watching world superbike I'm

2962
01:57:19,310 --> 01:57:17,639
like well what's the difference it's the

2963
01:57:22,010 --> 01:57:19,320
best motorcycle riding in the world yeah

2964
01:57:25,129 --> 01:57:22,020
but there's no Brits in it so those are

2965
01:57:27,050 --> 01:57:25,139
my my British MotoGP fans so I think

2966
01:57:29,990 --> 01:57:27,060
something very similar will occur even

2967
01:57:32,149 --> 01:57:30,000
if that evidence uh is proven to be true

2968
01:57:34,370 --> 01:57:32,159
by the Brazilians some of them some

2969
01:57:36,410 --> 01:57:34,380
people and by the way this hat is in is

2970
01:57:38,930 --> 01:57:36,420
in honor of the who right here that's

2971
01:57:41,810 --> 01:57:38,940
why I'm wearing the Union Jack hat is is

2972
01:57:43,910 --> 01:57:41,820
to to Champion on uh my brothers and

2973
01:57:46,189 --> 01:57:43,920
sisters in the who today

2974
01:57:48,770 --> 01:57:46,199
um and and some people say oh it's a

2975
01:57:51,050 --> 01:57:48,780
jungle culture they're South Americans

2976
01:57:52,609 --> 01:57:51,060
they don't know what they're doing you

2977
01:57:55,609 --> 01:57:52,619
know shoot Mick West look how he shot

2978
01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:55,619
down that Chilean video uh but that

2979
01:57:59,810 --> 01:57:58,080
doesn't take away from the efficacy of

2980
01:58:01,850 --> 01:57:59,820
it the Brazilians are quite competent

2981
01:58:04,609 --> 01:58:01,860
they're they're a partner nation of both

2982
01:58:07,070 --> 01:58:04,619
of our our countries and

2983
01:58:09,169 --> 01:58:07,080
um uh in this case of the PO the folks

2984
01:58:11,030 --> 01:58:09,179
on this panel and so I think it's

2985
01:58:13,189 --> 01:58:11,040
significant evidence but as you say

2986
01:58:15,589 --> 01:58:13,199
there will only be a segment of the

2987
01:58:17,570 --> 01:58:15,599
world population uh certainly the

2988
01:58:20,689 --> 01:58:17,580
portuguese-speaking nations in Africa

2989
01:58:23,270 --> 01:58:20,699
and otherwise will will take it to heart

2990
01:58:25,189 --> 01:58:23,280
what the Brazilians uncover if that

2991
01:58:27,770 --> 01:58:25,199
video does become public but I think

2992
01:58:29,330 --> 01:58:27,780
there will also be a significant uh and

2993
01:58:32,930 --> 01:58:29,340
probably a majority of the world's

2994
01:58:35,270 --> 01:58:32,940
population that will probably ignore it

2995
01:58:36,830 --> 01:58:35,280
I just before sorry to interrupt but I

2996
01:58:39,709 --> 01:58:36,840
think what what this conversation has

2997
01:58:42,109 --> 01:58:39,719
proven is that people often say that we

2998
01:58:44,270 --> 01:58:42,119
don't need the government for disclosure

2999
01:58:47,270 --> 01:58:44,280
but if we get a video that is confirmed

3000
01:58:49,609 --> 01:58:47,280
to be legitimate then post disclosure

3001
01:58:51,169 --> 01:58:49,619
means a lot more work because people say

3002
01:58:53,209 --> 01:58:51,179
to me regularly what are you going to do

3003
01:58:56,410 --> 01:58:53,219
Post disclosure because isn't that your

3004
01:58:58,910 --> 01:58:56,420
job done and I'm like well no no

3005
01:59:00,770 --> 01:58:58,920
it's going to throw up a million more

3006
01:59:02,750 --> 01:59:00,780
questions and that will be ongoing for

3007
01:59:04,430 --> 01:59:02,760
many years and these are the intricacies

3008
01:59:05,750 --> 01:59:04,440
that I was kind of raising in that

3009
01:59:07,609 --> 01:59:05,760
question it wasn't so much to do with

3010
01:59:09,350 --> 01:59:07,619
James Fox and his footage but it was

3011
01:59:10,910 --> 01:59:09,360
more to do with if we get footage from

3012
01:59:13,129 --> 01:59:10,920
outside of a government source that is

3013
01:59:14,870 --> 01:59:13,139
proven to be legitimate

3014
01:59:16,669 --> 01:59:14,880
you know does the world pay attention

3015
01:59:19,910 --> 01:59:16,679
does the public pay attention do the

3016
01:59:21,410 --> 01:59:19,920
government then uh fess up there are so

3017
01:59:23,270 --> 01:59:21,420
many intricacies that come after that

3018
01:59:25,970 --> 01:59:23,280
and so my job certainly will not be done

3019
01:59:28,010 --> 01:59:25,980
you know with with that so it's it's a

3020
01:59:31,129 --> 01:59:28,020
really it's a mess it's a mess still

3021
01:59:35,209 --> 01:59:31,139
then two things one thing I want to ask

3022
01:59:36,649 --> 01:59:35,219
you is that certainly if that if that uh

3023
01:59:38,450 --> 01:59:36,659
evidence doesn't come from the

3024
01:59:40,550 --> 01:59:38,460
government it will need the Brazilian

3025
01:59:42,410 --> 01:59:40,560
government to legitimize it otherwise

3026
01:59:44,030 --> 01:59:42,420
it's just anybody from the US putting

3027
01:59:46,070 --> 01:59:44,040
out a video so it doesn't matter or

3028
01:59:47,930 --> 01:59:46,080
anybody from any country that's putting

3029
01:59:50,870 --> 01:59:47,940
out a video saying this is the actual

3030
01:59:54,290 --> 01:59:50,880
craft and this is the being so it will

3031
01:59:56,209 --> 01:59:54,300
need a a legitimacy to emanate from

3032
01:59:58,070 --> 01:59:56,219
their government and I still think they

3033
01:59:59,689 --> 01:59:58,080
have a heavy Hill to climb even if the

3034
02:00:02,390 --> 01:59:59,699
Brazilian government goes

3035
02:00:04,729 --> 02:00:02,400
okay the jig's up this is real

3036
02:00:07,010 --> 02:00:04,739
second question is I know that just on

3037
02:00:09,530 --> 02:00:07,020
UFOs alone you're never you're never

3038
02:00:11,089 --> 02:00:09,540
going to run out of content but uh will

3039
02:00:12,550 --> 02:00:11,099
there ever be a Bigfoot episode on

3040
02:00:16,310 --> 02:00:12,560
disclosure team

3041
02:00:20,510 --> 02:00:16,320
hell yeah man yeah and I'll tell you why

3042
02:00:23,990 --> 02:00:20,520
foot Community I have recently reached

3043
02:00:26,270 --> 02:00:24,000
out to Cliff barrickman yeah

3044
02:00:27,890 --> 02:00:26,280
yeah fine by the Bigfoot but yeah

3045
02:00:29,689 --> 02:00:27,900
whether he comes on or not but do you

3046
02:00:31,250 --> 02:00:29,699
know who I really want to speak to

3047
02:00:34,729 --> 02:00:31,260
is Bobo

3048
02:00:36,649 --> 02:00:34,739
James Bobo okay I can oh yeah I can help

3049
02:00:40,910 --> 02:00:36,659
you with either of those guys because

3050
02:00:42,649 --> 02:00:40,920
yes a new friend of cab who is going to

3051
02:00:44,330 --> 02:00:42,659
do another he did an episode with us

3052
02:00:46,910 --> 02:00:44,340
named Matt Knapp

3053
02:00:49,250 --> 02:00:46,920
um he did uh the last episode with us

3054
02:00:51,589 --> 02:00:49,260
and he's gonna do one we have on she

3055
02:00:53,149 --> 02:00:51,599
squashers from Minnesota Matt Knapp is

3056
02:00:54,709 --> 02:00:53,159
coming on and he and I actually may even

3057
02:00:56,149 --> 02:00:54,719
do something together

3058
02:00:58,250 --> 02:00:56,159
um I will ask him

3059
02:00:59,930 --> 02:00:58,260
um to help you out with uh get me BoBo

3060
02:01:01,129 --> 02:00:59,940
but one thing DJ you promised that you

3061
02:01:03,229 --> 02:01:01,139
weren't going to bring up Bigfoot on

3062
02:01:06,770 --> 02:01:03,239
this show it's too late I said it at the

3063
02:01:08,470 --> 02:01:06,780
beginning I already dirtied the water so

3064
02:01:12,050 --> 02:01:08,480
that it happened

3065
02:01:13,850 --> 02:01:12,060
brother get me BoBo okay I will I will

3066
02:01:16,010 --> 02:01:13,860
ask Matt Knapp to help out with that

3067
02:01:20,030 --> 02:01:16,020
because he's gonna have on Priscilla on

3068
02:01:21,530 --> 02:01:20,040
his show nice good show yeah so nice

3069
02:01:23,930 --> 02:01:21,540
excellent well I want to hear from Deb

3070
02:01:26,270 --> 02:01:23,940
before we start the next topic Deb

3071
02:01:28,250 --> 02:01:26,280
well I mean I wish that it would be the

3072
02:01:30,050 --> 02:01:28,260
case that they would put out a video and

3073
02:01:32,390 --> 02:01:30,060
everyone would go oh well yeah now we

3074
02:01:33,770 --> 02:01:32,400
believe it but it's just it's just the

3075
02:01:36,530 --> 02:01:33,780
wrong time

3076
02:01:40,250 --> 02:01:36,540
um if it had been done in the 50s maybe

3077
02:01:42,770 --> 02:01:40,260
then but now everyone's still gonna go

3078
02:01:45,410 --> 02:01:42,780
at CG like that's that's what scares me

3079
02:01:47,270 --> 02:01:45,420
and we're still gonna have

3080
02:01:50,629 --> 02:01:47,280
um people who don't believe no matter

3081
02:01:52,790 --> 02:01:50,639
what and and that's safe for them we

3082
02:01:54,410 --> 02:01:52,800
have to understand that psychological

3083
02:01:55,910 --> 02:01:54,420
perspective it's safe for them and

3084
02:01:58,910 --> 02:01:55,920
comfortable for them

3085
02:02:01,669 --> 02:01:58,920
so you know it could take decades for

3086
02:02:04,430 --> 02:02:01,679
people to fully accept

3087
02:02:07,550 --> 02:02:04,440
that's a great Point man that the timing

3088
02:02:09,609 --> 02:02:07,560
is is significant that if it would have

3089
02:02:12,109 --> 02:02:09,619
happened before the era of digital

3090
02:02:14,089 --> 02:02:12,119
photography that is that is a really

3091
02:02:16,189 --> 02:02:14,099
great Point Deb I'm sorry to jump in

3092
02:02:18,290 --> 02:02:16,199
there Nathan no no it's a fantastic

3093
02:02:20,689 --> 02:02:18,300
Point excellent well I love that

3094
02:02:23,450 --> 02:02:20,699
conversation it's a big deal

3095
02:02:25,070 --> 02:02:23,460
um well Jill I want you to uh introduce

3096
02:02:28,609 --> 02:02:25,080
you at your topics let's put you on real

3097
02:02:30,550 --> 02:02:28,619
quick mystery guy okay my homie Jillian

3098
02:02:32,390 --> 02:02:30,560
Osborne

3099
02:02:34,609 --> 02:02:32,400
I am

3100
02:02:38,570 --> 02:02:34,619
I don't know I started to look at we

3101
02:02:41,270 --> 02:02:38,580
have a government website and for UFO

3102
02:02:44,330 --> 02:02:41,280
sightings and I looked at them to see

3103
02:02:46,609 --> 02:02:44,340
how many have been similar to mine

3104
02:02:49,970 --> 02:02:46,619
um and there's

3105
02:02:52,250 --> 02:02:49,980
I don't know is it 10 000 reports no

3106
02:02:53,810 --> 02:02:52,260
it's something something like that and

3107
02:02:55,129 --> 02:02:53,820
so it's a lot that I printed off and

3108
02:02:57,589 --> 02:02:55,139
there are quite a few that are very

3109
02:02:59,990 --> 02:02:57,599
similar to mine but it read me down it

3110
02:03:01,850 --> 02:03:00,000
led me down a little rabbit hole

3111
02:03:04,189 --> 02:03:01,860
um and I found out about

3112
02:03:05,209 --> 02:03:04,199
um project condyn has anyone heard of

3113
02:03:08,330 --> 02:03:05,219
that

3114
02:03:11,870 --> 02:03:08,340
yep he have

3115
02:03:21,229 --> 02:03:16,390
yeah I know I know I know a lot yeah

3116
02:03:24,470 --> 02:03:22,609
oh just if we've heard of project

3117
02:03:25,850 --> 02:03:24,480
content okay excellent yeah yeah well I

3118
02:03:27,050 --> 02:03:25,860
mean who wants to take that for actually

3119
02:03:30,410 --> 02:03:27,060
Vinnie I'm going to give it to you since

3120
02:03:32,390 --> 02:03:30,420
we're in the rotation so uh yeah project

3121
02:03:34,250 --> 02:03:32,400
condyn is an extremely important

3122
02:03:36,410 --> 02:03:34,260
document especially coming from the UK

3123
02:03:37,850 --> 02:03:36,420
side of things I mean there have been

3124
02:03:40,310 --> 02:03:37,860
many conversations had about it about

3125
02:03:42,470 --> 02:03:40,320
where it came from now the US Government

3126
02:03:45,470 --> 02:03:42,480
tried to get this kind of study done

3127
02:03:47,390 --> 02:03:45,480
from the mid 90s and it never happened

3128
02:03:50,810 --> 02:03:47,400
until the third iteration which happened

3129
02:03:52,729 --> 02:03:50,820
in the year 2000 yeah it was released in

3130
02:03:54,589 --> 02:03:52,739
the year 2000 but I think it's they

3131
02:03:57,709 --> 02:03:54,599
started um putting it together in about

3132
02:04:01,129 --> 02:03:57,719
97 and it was actually an ex defense

3133
02:04:03,649 --> 02:04:01,139
intelligence officer uh Ron haddo that

3134
02:04:06,709 --> 02:04:03,659
wrote it now he had retired by that time

3135
02:04:09,109 --> 02:04:06,719
and it's a very

3136
02:04:12,169 --> 02:04:09,119
I see a lot of contradictions in that

3137
02:04:13,910 --> 02:04:12,179
document you know that UFOs are most

3138
02:04:15,770 --> 02:04:13,920
likely ball lightning and all of these

3139
02:04:18,109 --> 02:04:15,780
prosaic explanations but at the same

3140
02:04:23,030 --> 02:04:18,119
time it doesn't actually rule out

3141
02:04:25,189 --> 02:04:23,040
anything you know non-human it's a very

3142
02:04:26,450 --> 02:04:25,199
um it's a windy road that document if

3143
02:04:29,030 --> 02:04:26,460
you look into it there's a lot of

3144
02:04:32,390 --> 02:04:29,040
important redactions in there which

3145
02:04:34,010 --> 02:04:32,400
you can you know David Dr David Clark my

3146
02:04:35,870 --> 02:04:34,020
colleague and friend was the guy that

3147
02:04:38,450 --> 02:04:35,880
kind of got that released and you know

3148
02:04:39,649 --> 02:04:38,460
he's had conversations with people in in

3149
02:04:42,290 --> 02:04:39,659
the government in the ministry of

3150
02:04:44,930 --> 02:04:42,300
Defense about it and there's a lot of

3151
02:04:47,030 --> 02:04:44,940
little points that you can kind of piece

3152
02:04:48,830 --> 02:04:47,040
together in there

3153
02:04:50,570 --> 02:04:48,840
I'd love to have Frank's thoughts on it

3154
02:04:52,669 --> 02:04:50,580
and then maybe I can then jump in a

3155
02:04:54,530 --> 02:04:52,679
little bit after that because I kind of

3156
02:04:56,450 --> 02:04:54,540
need to

3157
02:04:57,770 --> 02:04:56,460
and see what he has to say and come at

3158
02:04:59,689 --> 02:04:57,780
it with certain aspects of that it's

3159
02:05:02,030 --> 02:04:59,699
it's I could I could go into it for

3160
02:05:03,890 --> 02:05:02,040
hours but I like a conversation on it

3161
02:05:06,830 --> 02:05:03,900
not just me talking about it it's it's

3162
02:05:10,850 --> 02:05:06,840
it's very very interesting sounds good

3163
02:05:14,870 --> 02:05:13,070
yeah thanks very much um it is only

3164
02:05:16,129 --> 02:05:14,880
perfect I mean they're all the

3165
02:05:18,470 --> 02:05:16,139
predictions but also some incredible

3166
02:05:20,169 --> 02:05:18,480
nuggets that are inside it

3167
02:05:22,430 --> 02:05:20,179
um I mean it says you know that UAP

3168
02:05:23,209 --> 02:05:22,440
exists is in this beautiful right and

3169
02:05:26,830 --> 02:05:23,219
then it talks about their

3170
02:05:32,330 --> 02:05:29,810
to identify if there's a threat to the

3171
02:05:35,030 --> 02:05:32,340
UK and then to identify any potential

3172
02:05:37,850 --> 02:05:35,040
from the Technologies of Interest so I

3173
02:05:38,629 --> 02:05:37,860
mean there's a pretty important aspects

3174
02:05:41,089 --> 02:05:38,639
there

3175
02:05:42,830 --> 02:05:41,099
um and even though it says that um

3176
02:05:44,870 --> 02:05:42,840
the report itself and that there isn't

3177
02:05:46,550 --> 02:05:44,880
any inflation of significant defense

3178
02:05:48,470 --> 02:05:46,560
intelligence value because there are a

3179
02:05:49,669 --> 02:05:48,480
number of technical technological issues

3180
02:05:51,530 --> 02:05:49,679
that there are of uh you know defense

3181
02:05:52,970 --> 02:05:51,540
interests

3182
02:05:54,290 --> 02:05:52,980
um the other things that I found really

3183
02:05:56,330 --> 02:05:54,300
important from it

3184
02:05:57,470 --> 02:05:56,340
um is the fact that it looks at you know

3185
02:05:59,870 --> 02:05:57,480
what the Russians and the Chinese were

3186
02:06:02,990 --> 02:05:59,880
doing in terms of their own UAP

3187
02:06:06,229 --> 02:06:03,000
investigations and the fact that the UK

3188
02:06:08,050 --> 02:06:06,239
um said that you know the Russian

3189
02:06:11,030 --> 02:06:08,060
um Colonel um

3190
02:06:13,370 --> 02:06:11,040
and basically said the Russian part an

3191
02:06:15,169 --> 02:06:13,380
aircraft had been lost trying to change

3192
02:06:18,109 --> 02:06:15,179
just at UAP

3193
02:06:19,550 --> 02:06:18,119
um so even though the the UK report

3194
02:06:21,729 --> 02:06:19,560
sayings of no significant you know and

3195
02:06:25,189 --> 02:06:21,739
you know defense intelligence interest

3196
02:06:28,370 --> 02:06:25,199
after that time that the USSR was the UK

3197
02:06:30,290 --> 02:06:28,380
in the UK NATO's principle uh you know

3198
02:06:31,970 --> 02:06:30,300
strategic competitor okay so the Russian

3199
02:06:34,910 --> 02:06:31,980
Air Force was amazing

3200
02:06:36,890 --> 02:06:34,920
threat um you know to the UK to to all

3201
02:06:39,669 --> 02:06:36,900
make their Partners so if the Russians

3202
02:06:42,050 --> 02:06:39,679
were considering you

3203
02:06:44,570 --> 02:06:42,060
as they were then would it not be

3204
02:06:46,910 --> 02:06:44,580
logical to cons to assume that the RAF

3205
02:06:49,490 --> 02:06:46,920
at the USAF and all their NATO uh you

3206
02:06:51,950 --> 02:06:49,500
know also considered

3207
02:06:54,410 --> 02:06:51,960
um you know uh um UAP

3208
02:06:57,229 --> 02:06:54,420
your threat and also a very interesting

3209
02:06:59,570 --> 02:06:57,239
section which is uh

3210
02:07:01,070 --> 02:06:59,580
um often overlooked and it says and it's

3211
02:07:02,870 --> 02:07:01,080
basically saying when the UK would

3212
02:07:04,250 --> 02:07:02,880
consider UAP to be a threat now think

3213
02:07:05,689 --> 02:07:04,260
forward to what's been going on more

3214
02:07:07,129 --> 02:07:05,699
more recently

3215
02:07:09,169 --> 02:07:07,139
um both in terms of what's happened in

3216
02:07:10,790 --> 02:07:09,179
NATO countries also in the US

3217
02:07:13,250 --> 02:07:10,800
so it says

3218
02:07:14,149 --> 02:07:13,260
um but UAP would be considered to be a

3219
02:07:15,649 --> 02:07:14,159
threat

3220
02:07:17,510 --> 02:07:15,659
it could successfully penetrate the

3221
02:07:19,790 --> 02:07:17,520
defendant the defensive um area of the

3222
02:07:21,649 --> 02:07:19,800
UK at the air defense region of the UK

3223
02:07:23,629 --> 02:07:21,659
okay that's number one

3224
02:07:25,189 --> 02:07:23,639
um they would considered a threat

3225
02:07:27,290 --> 02:07:25,199
it could cause damage a kind of physical

3226
02:07:29,450 --> 02:07:27,300
effects or electronic effects if there's

3227
02:07:32,330 --> 02:07:29,460
a risk of an air Hazard such as a you

3228
02:07:34,010 --> 02:07:32,340
know a collision or damaging um you know

3229
02:07:35,930 --> 02:07:34,020
airliners or other aircraft

3230
02:07:37,729 --> 02:07:35,940
it would also be a considered a threat

3231
02:07:40,310 --> 02:07:37,739
by the UK If objects found within the

3232
02:07:41,510 --> 02:07:40,320
airspace were found to be hostile

3233
02:07:43,370 --> 02:07:41,520
uh

3234
02:07:44,689 --> 02:07:43,380
if challenged and invitation I can't

3235
02:07:46,850 --> 02:07:44,699
maneuver our own Airborne or

3236
02:07:50,510 --> 02:07:46,860
ground-based air defenses right then the

3237
02:07:52,010 --> 02:07:50,520
next uh uh parameter they look at

3238
02:07:53,750 --> 02:07:52,020
um whether the UK would consider you

3239
02:07:55,550 --> 02:07:53,760
know UAP be a threat if controlled

3240
02:07:57,830 --> 02:07:55,560
objects could enter and leave the UKF

3241
02:08:00,709 --> 02:07:57,840
defense region having possibly obtained

3242
02:08:03,530 --> 02:08:00,719
intelligence data EG imagery electronic

3243
02:08:05,270 --> 02:08:03,540
intelligence Etc so the real little it's

3244
02:08:07,129 --> 02:08:05,280
in there and if you take the Brits were

3245
02:08:11,689 --> 02:08:07,139
saying and this was defense intelligence

3246
02:08:13,490 --> 02:08:11,699
55. back in 2000 and I'm sorry back in

3247
02:08:14,750 --> 02:08:13,500
about the report

3248
02:08:15,950 --> 02:08:14,760
um and you bring that forward it's

3249
02:08:20,390 --> 02:08:15,960
really really quite pertinent what's

3250
02:08:24,649 --> 02:08:22,550
hey and Nathan I just want to point out

3251
02:08:26,570 --> 02:08:24,659
one thing here today because I just want

3252
02:08:29,689 --> 02:08:26,580
to give a shout out we have two members

3253
02:08:31,970 --> 02:08:29,699
of the royal parachute Infantry Regiment

3254
02:08:35,689 --> 02:08:31,980
here today Frank and Jillian so what's

3255
02:08:41,930 --> 02:08:39,890
amazing yeah anyway I'm sorry I'll pass

3256
02:08:45,770 --> 02:08:41,940
it back over Frank and Jillian excellent

3257
02:08:50,930 --> 02:08:45,780
analysis Frank thank you uh Ali

3258
02:08:57,010 --> 02:08:52,970
see everyone looks for this mute button

3259
02:09:02,149 --> 02:08:59,870
you know as you were talking then Joe

3260
02:09:02,990 --> 02:09:02,159
when you you were posing your question I

3261
02:09:05,149 --> 02:09:03,000
was

3262
02:09:07,550 --> 02:09:05,159
strikes me and I might go off in a

3263
02:09:09,890 --> 02:09:07,560
tangent hit but those of us that are

3264
02:09:13,669 --> 02:09:09,900
experiences we

3265
02:09:15,770 --> 02:09:13,679
we look for Vindication and authenticity

3266
02:09:16,729 --> 02:09:15,780
I can't get the word up other than that

3267
02:09:18,589 --> 02:09:16,739
word

3268
02:09:21,970 --> 02:09:18,599
and we start

3269
02:09:24,530 --> 02:09:21,980
trying to attach our experiences to

3270
02:09:26,689 --> 02:09:24,540
tangible reports and things that have

3271
02:09:29,030 --> 02:09:26,699
come out from the government to to kind

3272
02:09:31,550 --> 02:09:29,040
of or you know to kind of make sense of

3273
02:09:33,169 --> 02:09:31,560
what's happened to us and earlier in the

3274
02:09:35,149 --> 02:09:33,179
conversation with with the other group

3275
02:09:37,850 --> 02:09:35,159
you know there was a lot of talk around

3276
02:09:40,790 --> 02:09:37,860
how experiences are not necessarily

3277
02:09:43,669 --> 02:09:40,800
overlooked but we're not always in the

3278
02:09:45,649 --> 02:09:43,679
conversation and it just struck me that

3279
02:09:47,570 --> 02:09:45,659
you know with your experience and then

3280
02:09:50,510 --> 02:09:47,580
you you know look on the Google Website

3281
02:09:52,250 --> 02:09:50,520
and you're looking for things as well it

3282
02:09:53,870 --> 02:09:52,260
I think I'm getting completely off topic

3283
02:09:57,290 --> 02:09:53,880
but I think the point I'm trained to me

3284
02:09:59,270 --> 02:09:57,300
is that you know a lot of these reports

3285
02:10:02,149 --> 02:09:59,280
it's not it's what they don't say that's

3286
02:10:04,609 --> 02:10:02,159
often quite relevant but I also think it

3287
02:10:07,490 --> 02:10:04,619
comes back to the it was having an

3288
02:10:10,310 --> 02:10:07,500
experience at time that that weaves a

3289
02:10:13,010 --> 02:10:10,320
narrative into these reports so you know

3290
02:10:15,169 --> 02:10:13,020
are we getting information in the right

3291
02:10:17,870 --> 02:10:15,179
way is information being left out

3292
02:10:19,669 --> 02:10:17,880
purposefully and I think my small

3293
02:10:22,070 --> 02:10:19,679
knowledge of that report it's definitely

3294
02:10:23,709 --> 02:10:22,080
around what's not in there is what I

3295
02:10:25,970 --> 02:10:23,719
took from it

3296
02:10:27,830 --> 02:10:25,980
yeah the one thing I would say on that

3297
02:10:29,810 --> 02:10:27,840
is that Ron haddo worked on this on his

3298
02:10:31,850 --> 02:10:29,820
own with a little bit of help from his

3299
02:10:35,089 --> 02:10:31,860
secretary and that's about it they did

3300
02:10:37,010 --> 02:10:35,099
have access to you know secas weren't

3301
02:10:39,350 --> 02:10:37,020
the ones investigating the UFO cases we

3302
02:10:41,270 --> 02:10:39,360
know it was di55 and they looked at a

3303
02:10:43,129 --> 02:10:41,280
period over about 10 years for the main

3304
02:10:45,169 --> 02:10:43,139
cases for the majority of what went into

3305
02:10:47,390 --> 02:10:45,179
the document but what I think what's

3306
02:10:49,850 --> 02:10:47,400
pertinent is that it we've been asking

3307
02:10:51,709 --> 02:10:49,860
and shouting out the UFO Community as to

3308
02:10:54,350 --> 02:10:51,719
the US government to go right back to

3309
02:10:56,990 --> 02:10:54,360
1947 and what the UK government should

3310
02:10:59,209 --> 02:10:57,000
have done and still should do is go back

3311
02:11:00,770 --> 02:10:59,219
that far as well because some of the

3312
02:11:03,050 --> 02:11:00,780
best cases that I personally have

3313
02:11:05,810 --> 02:11:03,060
researched are coming from the 50s where

3314
02:11:07,910 --> 02:11:05,820
we have multiple sensor radar data

3315
02:11:10,850 --> 02:11:07,920
everything and testimony from cases

3316
02:11:13,370 --> 02:11:10,860
involving UAP with Pilots you know all

3317
02:11:15,890 --> 02:11:13,380
military personnel so to have one man

3318
02:11:17,689 --> 02:11:15,900
who was retired then come back and do a

3319
02:11:19,669 --> 02:11:17,699
report in three years on his own trying

3320
02:11:21,290 --> 02:11:19,679
to get information it could have been so

3321
02:11:22,850 --> 02:11:21,300
much better and I think that has to be

3322
02:11:24,169 --> 02:11:22,860
taken into account when looking at the

3323
02:11:26,350 --> 02:11:24,179
document

3324
02:11:28,790 --> 02:11:26,360
this is amazing

3325
02:11:30,830 --> 02:11:28,800
yeah I was gonna say we have you Frank

3326
02:11:32,750 --> 02:11:30,840
who knows The Insider view of this and

3327
02:11:34,970 --> 02:11:32,760
Vinnie who has studied it from the

3328
02:11:37,490 --> 02:11:34,980
outside yeah please go ahead please

3329
02:11:40,609 --> 02:11:37,500
amazing

3330
02:11:42,229 --> 02:11:40,619
but um you know when I was

3331
02:11:43,250 --> 02:11:42,239
a young intelligence officer and I was

3332
02:11:46,070 --> 02:11:43,260
looking at the Royal Air Force not

3333
02:11:48,410 --> 02:11:46,080
coming through Air Force intelligence

3334
02:11:49,550 --> 02:11:48,420
um you know and then later when I came

3335
02:11:50,870 --> 02:11:49,560
out and then I'm looking at things like

3336
02:11:56,870 --> 02:11:50,880
online report there's a very big

3337
02:12:01,790 --> 02:12:00,050
and and what was going on in terms of uh

3338
02:12:04,030 --> 02:12:01,800
five um you know the people who are

3339
02:12:07,490 --> 02:12:04,040
debriefing and brief

3340
02:12:09,169 --> 02:12:07,500
squadrons and Pilots uh I had to have a

3341
02:12:11,629 --> 02:12:09,179
very perspective from what the I-55 had

3342
02:12:15,410 --> 02:12:13,250
interesting

3343
02:12:17,450 --> 02:12:15,420
it seems like it's filtered doesn't it

3344
02:12:20,390 --> 02:12:17,460
it's there's a filter that goes on in

3345
02:12:23,510 --> 02:12:20,400
between people yeah and I'm reporting

3346
02:12:25,189 --> 02:12:23,520
these things and I also

3347
02:12:27,589 --> 02:12:25,199
I don't know

3348
02:12:29,570 --> 02:12:27,599
um it wasn't peer reviewed

3349
02:12:33,830 --> 02:12:29,580
um

3350
02:12:36,109 --> 02:12:33,840
so I mean to to have something unpear un

3351
02:12:37,910 --> 02:12:36,119
peer reviewed but also

3352
02:12:41,149 --> 02:12:37,920
um and like you said if it was only him

3353
02:12:43,490 --> 02:12:41,159
that was doing the report himself who is

3354
02:12:44,870 --> 02:12:43,500
he to speculate about orbs in the sky

3355
02:12:47,689 --> 02:12:44,880
being

3356
02:12:49,370 --> 02:12:47,699
um electrical activity or some sort of

3357
02:12:52,010 --> 02:12:49,380
phenomenon that nobody else knows about

3358
02:12:54,109 --> 02:12:52,020
no scientists know about this phenomena

3359
02:12:56,149 --> 02:12:54,119
and that's appearing in the skies and

3360
02:12:57,770 --> 02:12:56,159
just to write it off and that that was

3361
02:12:59,890 --> 02:12:57,780
only ever said when there was the

3362
02:13:02,750 --> 02:12:59,900
Freedom of Information request

3363
02:13:06,169 --> 02:13:02,760
to open up the document you know so of

3364
02:13:07,370 --> 02:13:06,179
course it's hidden it's all hidden oh I

3365
02:13:09,649 --> 02:13:07,380
I've been lucky enough to have

3366
02:13:11,390 --> 02:13:09,659
conversations with members of di55 that

3367
02:13:13,669 --> 02:13:11,400
work there during the 90s off the Record

3368
02:13:15,169 --> 02:13:13,679
now it's not my place to to say anything

3369
02:13:17,330 --> 02:13:15,179
publicly but it's a very different

3370
02:13:19,910 --> 02:13:17,340
conversation from what we're having and

3371
02:13:23,149 --> 02:13:19,920
the information that we know about so

3372
02:13:25,850 --> 02:13:23,159
that throws up so many questions and

3373
02:13:28,250 --> 02:13:25,860
it's really really eye-opening just how

3374
02:13:30,109 --> 02:13:28,260
much the British government the ministry

3375
02:13:31,550 --> 02:13:30,119
of Defense the military don't want to

3376
02:13:34,129 --> 02:13:31,560
talk about this subject you know we

3377
02:13:36,649 --> 02:13:34,139
always feel like we follow what the US

3378
02:13:38,569 --> 02:13:36,659
is doing but so far we've not heard of

3379
02:13:41,030 --> 02:13:38,579
Peep so let's just hope in the next few

3380
02:13:44,390 --> 02:13:41,040
years if we start seeing a progression

3381
02:13:47,030 --> 02:13:44,400
in the US that the UK follows souk I'm

3382
02:13:48,530 --> 02:13:47,040
not yeah confident it'll happen but I

3383
02:13:51,189 --> 02:13:48,540
but I hope it will

3384
02:13:57,350 --> 02:13:51,199
I do want to say also

3385
02:14:02,750 --> 02:13:59,510
no you go ahead mate I'll follow you oh

3386
02:14:05,030 --> 02:14:02,760
okay and where I live and you Brits will

3387
02:14:09,229 --> 02:14:05,040
know it just by me sort of talking about

3388
02:14:13,129 --> 02:14:09,239
it and it's a military location quite a

3389
02:14:17,270 --> 02:14:13,139
significant one and I've I I'm being led

3390
02:14:18,530 --> 02:14:17,280
to believe that it is soon to be HQ for

3391
02:14:23,030 --> 02:14:18,540
psyops

3392
02:14:23,689 --> 02:14:23,040
and during my experiences

3393
02:14:26,510 --> 02:14:23,699
um

3394
02:14:29,510 --> 02:14:26,520
there was a significant amount of

3395
02:14:32,209 --> 02:14:29,520
military aircraft in the area

3396
02:14:35,390 --> 02:14:32,219
all the time and we could see them

3397
02:14:37,970 --> 02:14:35,400
during the day during the evening and

3398
02:14:42,709 --> 02:14:37,980
and going in directions that weren't

3399
02:14:45,350 --> 02:14:42,719
usual very big aircraft you know so yeah

3400
02:14:48,169 --> 02:14:45,360
that was really and that I've heard that

3401
02:14:51,169 --> 02:14:48,179
from inside so that's the intention that

3402
02:14:53,810 --> 02:14:51,179
this is going to be psyops HQ

3403
02:14:56,270 --> 02:14:53,820
um so it's interesting when you think

3404
02:14:57,470 --> 02:14:56,280
about the things I've seen and then you

3405
02:15:00,709 --> 02:14:57,480
wonder

3406
02:15:02,149 --> 02:15:00,719
is it fake you know and I can't help but

3407
02:15:05,270 --> 02:15:02,159
think that because even though you've

3408
02:15:08,149 --> 02:15:05,280
seen it you go down the route of oh wow

3409
02:15:10,609 --> 02:15:08,159
that's incredible and then you go off on

3410
02:15:12,350 --> 02:15:10,619
a sort of another path of what if it's

3411
02:15:14,990 --> 02:15:12,360
something else and so you start to

3412
02:15:18,709 --> 02:15:15,000
investigate that as well

3413
02:15:21,589 --> 02:15:18,719
um so yeah it's but what would be the

3414
02:15:25,370 --> 02:15:21,599
point of it is it just new technology

3415
02:15:26,270 --> 02:15:25,380
for well for psyops you know for a war

3416
02:15:29,870 --> 02:15:26,280
um

3417
02:15:33,109 --> 02:15:29,880
and are they testing it out on us

3418
02:15:40,149 --> 02:15:34,790
yeah Frank do you want to come back on

3419
02:15:44,750 --> 02:15:42,709
based on my own experiences

3420
02:15:46,750 --> 02:15:44,760
and also what actually says

3421
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:46,760
um

3422
02:15:51,890 --> 02:15:50,400
attempted there's never been an

3423
02:15:53,510 --> 02:15:51,900
attempted insect

3424
02:15:55,550 --> 02:15:53,520
to the key in the UK defense reason well

3425
02:15:56,330 --> 02:15:55,560
we know that's rubbish because in

3426
02:15:56,950 --> 02:15:56,340
the

3427
02:16:00,709 --> 02:15:56,960
um

3428
02:16:03,609 --> 02:16:00,719
Taurus case uh which is actually uh an

3429
02:16:06,830 --> 02:16:03,619
American aircraft an American pilot

3430
02:16:08,450 --> 02:16:06,840
command of further all efforts basically

3431
02:16:10,669 --> 02:16:08,460
protect the UK out event region and then

3432
02:16:13,689 --> 02:16:10,679
also there was um

3433
02:16:17,350 --> 02:16:16,430
and he actually knows that he was part

3434
02:16:21,229 --> 02:16:17,360
of her

3435
02:16:23,450 --> 02:16:21,239
crew uh flight group and they edited

3436
02:16:25,910 --> 02:16:23,460
multiple eops over the central United

3437
02:16:27,169 --> 02:16:25,920
Kingdom so

3438
02:16:29,950 --> 02:16:27,179
you know there's a lot of stuff that's

3439
02:16:31,910 --> 02:16:29,960
basically missing from this report

3440
02:16:33,230 --> 02:16:31,920
over

3441
02:16:34,849 --> 02:16:33,240
the in the UF has reached me another

3442
02:16:37,849 --> 02:16:34,859
husband

3443
02:16:39,469 --> 02:16:37,859
still there's a lot of a lot of very

3444
02:16:41,089 --> 02:16:39,479
not much in the report you know as I

3445
02:16:41,750 --> 02:16:41,099
pointed out so you have to take the kind

3446
02:16:44,750 --> 02:16:41,760
of

3447
02:16:48,410 --> 02:16:44,760
hey

3448
02:16:50,570 --> 02:16:48,420
he's an expert on radars

3449
02:16:51,889 --> 02:16:50,580
that's what he writes to use PhD on so

3450
02:16:55,669 --> 02:16:51,899
you can see that

3451
02:16:58,129 --> 02:16:55,679
interest in exploiting the military uh

3452
02:17:00,129 --> 02:16:58,139
attracting what he can for future UK

3453
02:17:05,169 --> 02:17:00,139
electric capabilities

3454
02:17:11,270 --> 02:17:07,969
yeah well I mean the thread that I have

3455
02:17:13,849 --> 02:17:11,280
here from this too is that um we are

3456
02:17:16,669 --> 02:17:13,859
looking for that link between personal

3457
02:17:19,730 --> 02:17:16,679
experience and and sort of collective

3458
02:17:22,429 --> 02:17:19,740
legitimate uh truth and knowledge and

3459
02:17:24,770 --> 02:17:22,439
you know that seal of approval right so

3460
02:17:27,830 --> 02:17:24,780
there needs to be that connecting uh

3461
02:17:29,150 --> 02:17:27,840
point between what we're seeing and and

3462
02:17:31,849 --> 02:17:29,160
experiencing on a very personal level

3463
02:17:35,389 --> 02:17:31,859
and what is happening at a

3464
02:17:37,910 --> 02:17:35,399
large scale this is true

3465
02:17:41,389 --> 02:17:37,920
level and these reports are are doing

3466
02:17:43,969 --> 02:17:41,399
that but not in a in a way that satisfy

3467
02:17:45,830 --> 02:17:43,979
and meet the need that we have for those

3468
02:17:49,129 --> 02:17:45,840
answers

3469
02:17:50,929 --> 02:17:49,139
um and so what report will come out that

3470
02:17:53,209 --> 02:17:50,939
will hopefully get us closer to

3471
02:17:55,490 --> 02:17:53,219
addressing those answers and and is is

3472
02:17:57,589 --> 02:17:55,500
such a report even possible

3473
02:17:59,389 --> 02:17:57,599
um I don't know and it certainly would

3474
02:18:02,330 --> 02:17:59,399
look very different than anything we've

3475
02:18:05,030 --> 02:18:02,340
ever seen nothing like this nothing like

3476
02:18:08,389 --> 02:18:05,040
Blue Book you know it would take it so

3477
02:18:10,429 --> 02:18:08,399
much further than just that superficial

3478
02:18:12,110 --> 02:18:10,439
you know and I'm saying that word that

3479
02:18:13,790 --> 02:18:12,120
making it sound like it's very you know

3480
02:18:16,610 --> 02:18:13,800
trite but the superficial government

3481
02:18:18,530 --> 02:18:16,620
layer this is a multi-layered cake you

3482
02:18:21,110 --> 02:18:18,540
know it's it's not just our government's

3483
02:18:22,490 --> 02:18:21,120
looking at this but it's our people and

3484
02:18:24,770 --> 02:18:22,500
the people of the world

3485
02:18:26,870 --> 02:18:24,780
uh so hopefully we do get something like

3486
02:18:28,790 --> 02:18:26,880
that one day I think we need it

3487
02:18:30,650 --> 02:18:28,800
absolutely I think one thing that I find

3488
02:18:33,709 --> 02:18:30,660
shocking about the UK government is for

3489
02:18:34,969 --> 02:18:33,719
example we know that the UK released a

3490
02:18:38,089 --> 02:18:34,979
whole load of files into the national

3491
02:18:39,709 --> 02:18:38,099
archives from 2007 eight and nine and

3492
02:18:40,849 --> 02:18:39,719
you know I was lucky enough to go down

3493
02:18:42,709 --> 02:18:40,859
to the archives and look at the

3494
02:18:45,349 --> 02:18:42,719
documents that have yet to be digitized

3495
02:18:47,509 --> 02:18:45,359
these are only in physical format you

3496
02:18:49,250 --> 02:18:47,519
have to go down and you kind of have to

3497
02:18:51,349 --> 02:18:49,260
know you have to ask for the files in

3498
02:18:53,509 --> 02:18:51,359
advance so if you don't know what you

3499
02:18:55,549 --> 02:18:53,519
want to look at you don't know what to

3500
02:18:57,110 --> 02:18:55,559
ask for and so I did a lot of

3501
02:18:59,690 --> 02:18:57,120
preparation I went down there I found

3502
02:19:01,849 --> 02:18:59,700
cases of craft being witnessed by

3503
02:19:04,190 --> 02:19:01,859
multiple school children cases we'd

3504
02:19:05,750 --> 02:19:04,200
never seen before so many things like

3505
02:19:08,389 --> 02:19:05,760
that these are on par with kind of

3506
02:19:10,429 --> 02:19:08,399
aerial school and and West all but we've

3507
02:19:12,230 --> 02:19:10,439
never heard of them never heard of them

3508
02:19:14,089 --> 02:19:12,240
and that I find really shocking that

3509
02:19:15,469 --> 02:19:14,099
it's never been reported on so there's

3510
02:19:18,290 --> 02:19:15,479
so much to come out of the UK government

3511
02:19:19,790 --> 02:19:18,300
still for for many years Frank was

3512
02:19:22,129 --> 02:19:19,800
talking about the Milton Torres case

3513
02:19:24,530 --> 02:19:22,139
we've got the the uh Lake in East Ben

3514
02:19:26,270 --> 02:19:24,540
Waters from I think it was 52 we've got

3515
02:19:29,030 --> 02:19:26,280
all the sightings in operation main

3516
02:19:32,830 --> 02:19:29,040
brace no 1956 some of them are the most

3517
02:19:36,349 --> 02:19:32,840
compelling multi-uh data collected cases

3518
02:19:39,230 --> 02:19:36,359
in in UK history there's so much we can

3519
02:19:40,910 --> 02:19:39,240
still learn and bring out on on things

3520
02:19:43,310 --> 02:19:40,920
in the UK

3521
02:19:46,790 --> 02:19:43,320
yeah I love this discussion DJ I want to

3522
02:19:51,770 --> 02:19:49,429
I'm going to use an aircraft analogy for

3523
02:19:54,590 --> 02:19:51,780
this one and relative to the Condon

3524
02:19:56,030 --> 02:19:54,600
report and uh one of the uses of

3525
02:19:58,070 --> 02:19:56,040
something called a column and filter

3526
02:20:02,210 --> 02:19:58,080
Kalman

3527
02:20:04,370 --> 02:20:02,220
is when you're taking analog air data

3528
02:20:07,670 --> 02:20:04,380
and you're feeding it through a column

3529
02:20:09,889 --> 02:20:07,680
and filter it can then be digitized and

3530
02:20:11,810 --> 02:20:09,899
fed into a mission computer

3531
02:20:14,750 --> 02:20:11,820
and the problem that we're having is

3532
02:20:17,090 --> 02:20:14,760
that that Coleman filter is something

3533
02:20:19,910 --> 02:20:17,100
like in this case the British government

3534
02:20:21,889 --> 02:20:19,920
it could be the the US government or

3535
02:20:24,410 --> 02:20:21,899
whatever pick a government that you want

3536
02:20:26,870 --> 02:20:24,420
France you know Italy whatever

3537
02:20:29,270 --> 02:20:26,880
and then what comes out of it has

3538
02:20:32,630 --> 02:20:29,280
already passed through that Coleman

3539
02:20:34,910 --> 02:20:32,640
filter which is their sensors and they

3540
02:20:37,310 --> 02:20:34,920
have digitized that information and

3541
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:37,320
presented it in a way that they want us

3542
02:20:43,010 --> 02:20:40,800
to see it the way Coleman filter uh

3543
02:20:45,469 --> 02:20:43,020
takes that information and presents it

3544
02:20:48,110 --> 02:20:45,479
to the mission computer in a way that

3545
02:20:51,170 --> 02:20:48,120
the mission computer can then ingest

3546
02:20:55,010 --> 02:20:51,180
that data and formulate its algorithm

3547
02:20:58,190 --> 02:20:55,020
with that without that without that data

3548
02:21:00,410 --> 02:20:58,200
that we couldn't compute a climb or a

3549
02:21:02,630 --> 02:21:00,420
dive or whatever that that that system

3550
02:21:05,150 --> 02:21:02,640
is looking for so the column filter does

3551
02:21:07,790 --> 02:21:05,160
that job the problem for us as consumers

3552
02:21:09,349 --> 02:21:07,800
of UFO information is that we don't want

3553
02:21:12,410 --> 02:21:09,359
that common filter

3554
02:21:15,170 --> 02:21:12,420
we want that that data to come in and

3555
02:21:17,570 --> 02:21:15,180
come directly to us in its original form

3556
02:21:19,250 --> 02:21:17,580
because as I said a grouping such as

3557
02:21:24,950 --> 02:21:19,260
ours is ready to take that information

3558
02:21:27,770 --> 02:21:24,960
in and analyze it and accept it and come

3559
02:21:30,170 --> 02:21:27,780
to peace with that information and we're

3560
02:21:31,550 --> 02:21:30,180
not in need of a common filter I can't

3561
02:21:34,849 --> 02:21:31,560
say that necessarily for everybody

3562
02:21:36,490 --> 02:21:34,859
that's in the world but I know that the

3563
02:21:39,349 --> 02:21:36,500
people that I've met

3564
02:21:41,210 --> 02:21:39,359
largely not completely if you go through

3565
02:21:43,190 --> 02:21:41,220
UFO Twitter there are people that are

3566
02:21:45,830 --> 02:21:43,200
not ready for that and those are the

3567
02:21:47,450 --> 02:21:45,840
people that are looking to debunk every

3568
02:21:50,389 --> 02:21:47,460
aspect of something that's obviously

3569
02:21:54,410 --> 02:21:50,399
true because because they've legislated

3570
02:21:56,570 --> 02:21:54,420
on this on on the basis of seeing uh

3571
02:21:57,650 --> 02:21:56,580
evidence that we've yet to seen and only

3572
02:21:59,630 --> 02:21:57,660
heard of

3573
02:22:01,370 --> 02:21:59,640
so anyway that that that's my

3574
02:22:04,250 --> 02:22:01,380
interpretation we don't need that calm

3575
02:22:06,710 --> 02:22:04,260
and filter uh because what we're getting

3576
02:22:09,230 --> 02:22:06,720
out of that is the condyn report and and

3577
02:22:11,030 --> 02:22:09,240
it's it's like in other countries that

3578
02:22:13,550 --> 02:22:11,040
we really don't care for we just want

3579
02:22:14,750 --> 02:22:13,560
the the information yeah I love that

3580
02:22:16,730 --> 02:22:14,760
Insight that perception management

3581
02:22:19,070 --> 02:22:16,740
aspect to it

3582
02:22:21,110 --> 02:22:19,080
um Deb what do you think well I just

3583
02:22:23,030 --> 02:22:21,120
wanted to say when it comes to reports

3584
02:22:24,410 --> 02:22:23,040
it's one of my favorite things to look

3585
02:22:32,929 --> 02:22:24,420
at

3586
02:22:34,969 --> 02:22:32,939
something like a 900 page report on how

3587
02:22:38,510 --> 02:22:34,979
Roswell was not real

3588
02:22:40,910 --> 02:22:38,520
like that was 900 pages and when it

3589
02:22:43,730 --> 02:22:40,920
comes to this time it was you know it

3590
02:22:46,910 --> 02:22:43,740
was basically a book so when it comes to

3591
02:22:49,309 --> 02:22:46,920
these reports we get 70 pages and then

3592
02:22:51,110 --> 02:22:49,319
some of those pages we basically have to

3593
02:22:52,969 --> 02:22:51,120
beg for

3594
02:22:54,530 --> 02:22:52,979
um I guess I just wanted to chime in and

3595
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:54,540
say when it comes to reports I would

3596
02:22:59,570 --> 02:22:56,640
like the table to be turned can we get

3597
02:23:01,250 --> 02:22:59,580
the 900 pages on how this is real thank

3598
02:23:04,730 --> 02:23:01,260
you very much

3599
02:23:06,770 --> 02:23:04,740
yes that sounds great Deb what's up to

3600
02:23:09,410 --> 02:23:06,780
Jill's son is that Jill's son what's up

3601
02:23:11,150 --> 02:23:09,420
buddy that's right Jill we've uh we've

3602
02:23:12,469 --> 02:23:11,160
had a wonderful time with you on the

3603
02:23:14,210 --> 02:23:12,479
show this evening and we've only

3604
02:23:16,429 --> 02:23:14,220
scratched the surface of your experience

3605
02:23:19,190 --> 02:23:16,439
so we look forward to getting that full

3606
02:23:20,570 --> 02:23:19,200
story uh another time thank you so much

3607
02:23:23,030 --> 02:23:20,580
for joining us

3608
02:23:25,250 --> 02:23:23,040
thank you so much and I'll speak to you

3609
02:23:32,510 --> 02:23:25,260
all soon okay all right sounds good take

3610
02:23:37,849 --> 02:23:34,370
all right so I'm gonna uh let's see

3611
02:23:39,290 --> 02:23:37,859
who's got the net next topic here we've

3612
02:23:41,150 --> 02:23:39,300
uh

3613
02:23:44,710 --> 02:23:41,160
I think it's Holly I believe it's Holly

3614
02:23:52,809 --> 02:23:48,889
now DJ I got kicked out of a cult today

3615
02:23:57,770 --> 02:23:56,090
just one good job

3616
02:23:59,210 --> 02:23:57,780
I know I didn't even know I was in it

3617
02:24:01,309 --> 02:23:59,220
until they got kicked what have you done

3618
02:24:04,550 --> 02:24:01,319
today Nathan come on did you get kicked

3619
02:24:06,650 --> 02:24:04,560
out of a car not enough apparently yeah

3620
02:24:09,110 --> 02:24:06,660
hey it's not even Monday it's not even

3621
02:24:11,990 --> 02:24:09,120
Monday so

3622
02:24:13,690 --> 02:24:12,000
um my topic uh will be no surprise to

3623
02:24:17,809 --> 02:24:13,700
those that know me will be a little bit

3624
02:24:19,969 --> 02:24:17,819
wooy-ish but um so

3625
02:24:21,349 --> 02:24:19,979
hold on to your underpants you ready you

3626
02:24:23,690 --> 02:24:21,359
ready for going in

3627
02:24:26,330 --> 02:24:23,700
it's a given my work within sort of

3628
02:24:31,550 --> 02:24:26,340
human initiative contact experiences and

3629
02:24:34,190 --> 02:24:31,560
events and my very own brand of C5 I am

3630
02:24:37,070 --> 02:24:34,200
convinced through my own experiences and

3631
02:24:40,670 --> 02:24:37,080
and those of my peers around me that

3632
02:24:43,010 --> 02:24:40,680
pace it out that we are there is a very

3633
02:24:46,969 --> 02:24:43,020
strong link between Consciousness and

3634
02:24:50,809 --> 02:24:46,979
them whatever they may be and I believe

3635
02:24:54,410 --> 02:24:50,819
that that expands further into that

3636
02:24:57,230 --> 02:24:54,420
we're all part of the grand ecosystem of

3637
02:24:59,809 --> 02:24:57,240
a galactic proportion within that

3638
02:25:02,570 --> 02:24:59,819
information is shared in in really

3639
02:25:05,809 --> 02:25:02,580
interesting ways recently Dr Gary Nolan

3640
02:25:09,469 --> 02:25:05,819
said that um the infinity you will quote

3641
02:25:12,590 --> 02:25:09,479
me if I'm wrong at Jays and James's

3642
02:25:14,510 --> 02:25:12,600
event inquiry into the anomalous he said

3643
02:25:17,150 --> 02:25:14,520
um there was something to do the degree

3644
02:25:19,730 --> 02:25:17,160
of that there's information

3645
02:25:22,190 --> 02:25:19,740
and being passed you know between brains

3646
02:25:23,630 --> 02:25:22,200
and and where we're kind of

3647
02:25:25,550 --> 02:25:23,640
um being able to tap into that

3648
02:25:28,130 --> 02:25:25,560
information and all of his work around

3649
02:25:30,650 --> 02:25:28,140
sort of the enlarged basal ganglia and

3650
02:25:35,710 --> 02:25:30,660
of science might not of course I love

3651
02:25:35,720 --> 02:25:40,750
it's not a disease

3652
02:25:47,030 --> 02:25:43,969
no doesn't itch or anything anyway I'm

3653
02:25:49,730 --> 02:25:47,040
being silly so my question is

3654
02:25:50,929 --> 02:25:49,740
um if we are all connected my topic if

3655
02:25:53,870 --> 02:25:50,939
we're all connected to the ground

3656
02:25:57,110 --> 02:25:53,880
ecosystem and Consciousness is a thing

3657
02:25:59,210 --> 02:25:57,120
do we believe that the powers that be

3658
02:26:00,170 --> 02:25:59,220
um you know Department of Defense or you

3659
02:26:01,849 --> 02:26:00,180
know whatever

3660
02:26:04,429 --> 02:26:01,859
or have an understanding that

3661
02:26:06,590 --> 02:26:04,439
Consciousness does do something and if

3662
02:26:10,610 --> 02:26:06,600
so do we believe that they are

3663
02:26:14,210 --> 02:26:10,620
developing technology to weaponize this

3664
02:26:17,030 --> 02:26:14,220
between weaponize the link because I I

3665
02:26:18,710 --> 02:26:17,040
believe there is a strong link but how

3666
02:26:21,230 --> 02:26:18,720
are they you know

3667
02:26:24,590 --> 02:26:21,240
all the powers that be are they able to

3668
02:26:27,050 --> 02:26:24,600
make it more tangible I think it's my

3669
02:26:29,030 --> 02:26:27,060
question is it are they able to use it

3670
02:26:30,370 --> 02:26:29,040
for benefit to be able to make contact

3671
02:26:32,330 --> 02:26:30,380
with them

3672
02:26:35,389 --> 02:26:32,340
great question

3673
02:26:36,410 --> 02:26:35,399
Vinnie that's really really interesting

3674
02:26:38,330 --> 02:26:36,420
and

3675
02:26:40,010 --> 02:26:38,340
my answer will be highly speculative

3676
02:26:42,230 --> 02:26:40,020
obviously because we don't have any kind

3677
02:26:44,150 --> 02:26:42,240
of tangible proof on that but I think if

3678
02:26:45,950 --> 02:26:44,160
you know like some of the the stories

3679
02:26:48,530 --> 02:26:45,960
may claim that you know the US

3680
02:26:52,370 --> 02:26:48,540
government had a downed craft in access

3681
02:26:53,990 --> 02:26:52,380
to living entities following 1947 and

3682
02:26:55,730 --> 02:26:54,000
Consciousness and

3683
02:26:57,650 --> 02:26:55,740
um you know the ability to speak without

3684
02:26:59,690 --> 02:26:57,660
speaking you know that telepathic

3685
02:27:01,670 --> 02:26:59,700
communication and if that kind of study

3686
02:27:03,650 --> 02:27:01,680
has been going on since the late 40s

3687
02:27:05,990 --> 02:27:03,660
then you have to look at the Stanford

3688
02:27:08,210 --> 02:27:06,000
Research Institute and remote viewing

3689
02:27:10,910 --> 02:27:08,220
and all that does all that link to it

3690
02:27:14,210 --> 02:27:10,920
about using the the power of the brain

3691
02:27:16,370 --> 02:27:14,220
and the mind to to to to see things to

3692
02:27:18,830 --> 02:27:16,380
view things did that come from that you

3693
02:27:19,790 --> 02:27:18,840
know so many possibilities

3694
02:27:23,990 --> 02:27:19,800
um

3695
02:27:26,929 --> 02:27:24,000
so I mean when it comes to ce5 and Heist

3696
02:27:28,849 --> 02:27:26,939
I'm very open to that possibility I like

3697
02:27:30,770 --> 02:27:28,859
to keep an open mind

3698
02:27:33,710 --> 02:27:30,780
um I won't shoot it down until there's

3699
02:27:35,750 --> 02:27:33,720
uh you know proper evidence to say that

3700
02:27:38,990 --> 02:27:35,760
it does that it's not real but like

3701
02:27:40,849 --> 02:27:39,000
anything and I do listen to great minds

3702
02:27:43,190 --> 02:27:40,859
like Gary Knoll and and things like that

3703
02:27:45,290 --> 02:27:43,200
so I think for that conversation it's

3704
02:27:49,070 --> 02:27:45,300
still a case of I keep my eye on it I'm

3705
02:27:51,530 --> 02:27:49,080
very open to it and I will not knock

3706
02:27:53,150 --> 02:27:51,540
anybody who may whose belief systems may

3707
02:27:55,670 --> 02:27:53,160
be further down the line than mine are

3708
02:27:57,950 --> 02:27:55,680
so yeah that's probably not a really

3709
02:27:59,510 --> 02:27:57,960
particularly deep answer but you know

3710
02:28:01,309 --> 02:27:59,520
that's just kind of as far as I take it

3711
02:28:02,389 --> 02:28:01,319
that I'm very open to it I keep my eye

3712
02:28:04,250 --> 02:28:02,399
on it and

3713
02:28:05,990 --> 02:28:04,260
yeah that's probably about it I think

3714
02:28:07,670 --> 02:28:06,000
well maybe we can come back at you with

3715
02:28:09,110 --> 02:28:07,680
one sorry go ahead DJ I was just gonna

3716
02:28:10,849 --> 02:28:09,120
say when you think about great minds you

3717
02:28:13,849 --> 02:28:10,859
think about great Gary Nolan think about

3718
02:28:15,349 --> 02:28:13,859
Dr Diana pasoka does DJ come right after

3719
02:28:19,849 --> 02:28:15,359
that

3720
02:28:21,590 --> 02:28:19,859
know we we just keep you at the top and

3721
02:28:24,889 --> 02:28:21,600
then we go like below that it says it

3722
02:28:27,290 --> 02:28:24,899
goes without saying

3723
02:28:28,450 --> 02:28:27,300
yeah we get there eventually we do

3724
02:28:31,190 --> 02:28:28,460
um

3725
02:28:33,290 --> 02:28:31,200
absolutely man uh no I well I want to

3726
02:28:36,170 --> 02:28:33,300
ask you this follow-up so do you think

3727
02:28:39,590 --> 02:28:36,180
it's safe to say that if the government

3728
02:28:41,990 --> 02:28:39,600
was able to master this and again we are

3729
02:28:44,450 --> 02:28:42,000
being very speculative uh that they

3730
02:28:46,670 --> 02:28:44,460
would do so and I know Frank would

3731
02:28:48,830 --> 02:28:46,680
answer I'm I'm thinking Frank's going to

3732
02:28:50,630 --> 02:28:48,840
answer this yes because of the power of

3733
02:28:52,849 --> 02:28:50,640
this technology but what would you say

3734
02:28:55,429 --> 02:28:52,859
to that if they had if they could do it

3735
02:28:57,950 --> 02:28:55,439
what do I think I think they would go to

3736
02:28:59,690 --> 02:28:57,960
all ends of the Earth to master it to to

3737
02:29:01,670 --> 02:28:59,700
weaponize it to use it to to their

3738
02:29:03,650 --> 02:29:01,680
benefit and like I said if if we look at

3739
02:29:05,450 --> 02:29:03,660
remote viewing the powers of what they

3740
02:29:06,230 --> 02:29:05,460
could or what they attempted to use that

3741
02:29:08,030 --> 02:29:06,240
for

3742
02:29:10,309 --> 02:29:08,040
you know

3743
02:29:14,389 --> 02:29:10,319
it's endless it's Endless Possibilities

3744
02:29:17,030 --> 02:29:14,399
you know it was government CIA military

3745
02:29:18,530 --> 02:29:17,040
of course it was if you know you say

3746
02:29:20,330 --> 02:29:18,540
weaponized you don't mean it as a

3747
02:29:23,110 --> 02:29:20,340
necessarily as a weapon but certainly

3748
02:29:26,570 --> 02:29:23,120
for Advantage in in a military sort of

3749
02:29:28,370 --> 02:29:26,580
aspect so yeah why not of course you

3750
02:29:30,770 --> 02:29:28,380
know a lot of arrows kind of point in

3751
02:29:32,929 --> 02:29:30,780
that direction

3752
02:29:35,570 --> 02:29:32,939
we'll see I don't know I just don't know

3753
02:29:38,150 --> 02:29:35,580
I'm very very bad at being speculative

3754
02:29:39,230 --> 02:29:38,160
it's all good all good well let's hear

3755
02:29:47,710 --> 02:29:39,240
from Frank what do you think about this

3756
02:29:47,720 --> 02:29:50,990
I mean

3757
02:29:58,070 --> 02:29:53,570
yeah so you know

3758
02:30:00,710 --> 02:29:58,080
would would Consciousness or how we use

3759
02:30:03,349 --> 02:30:00,720
Consciousness in our brains as a way of

3760
02:30:05,690 --> 02:30:03,359
connecting on all levels do we believe

3761
02:30:07,370 --> 02:30:05,700
that if the government could weaponize

3762
02:30:12,790 --> 02:30:07,380
that connection for their own benefit

3763
02:30:17,690 --> 02:30:14,990
according to

3764
02:30:19,490 --> 02:30:17,700
yeah I mean so if you read um Nick

3765
02:30:21,770 --> 02:30:19,500
bedford's book

3766
02:30:24,410 --> 02:30:21,780
um what's it called end of days uh it's

3767
02:30:26,210 --> 02:30:24,420
not about the I reread it a couple of

3768
02:30:28,130 --> 02:30:26,220
weeks ago here so what about the colony

3769
02:30:30,230 --> 02:30:28,140
they're definitely uh trying to get in

3770
02:30:32,570 --> 02:30:30,240
contact uh what's you know people you'd

3771
02:30:34,910 --> 02:30:32,580
call mediums affected

3772
02:30:36,290 --> 02:30:34,920
keep a very open mind being uh being an

3773
02:30:38,330 --> 02:30:36,300
experiencer but they actually had very

3774
02:30:40,190 --> 02:30:38,340
bad results that um for people who who

3775
02:30:42,349 --> 02:30:40,200
tried to contact these kind of other

3776
02:30:44,210 --> 02:30:42,359
higher Consciousness or entities one of

3777
02:30:46,849 --> 02:30:44,220
them ended up with um almost kind of

3778
02:30:48,469 --> 02:30:46,859
like a well they ended up dead one had

3779
02:30:49,670 --> 02:30:48,479
like a crushed skull one one died from

3780
02:30:51,710 --> 02:30:49,680
his fiction

3781
02:30:53,030 --> 02:30:51,720
and the other one died in another

3782
02:30:54,170 --> 02:30:53,040
horrible way

3783
02:30:55,429 --> 02:30:54,180
um it's just basically trying to be in

3784
02:30:56,330 --> 02:30:55,439
contact with these entities but I think

3785
02:30:58,389 --> 02:30:56,340
the government definitely trying to

3786
02:31:00,590 --> 02:30:58,399
recognize that whether it's for

3787
02:31:02,030 --> 02:31:00,600
understanding whether it's like the

3788
02:31:04,610 --> 02:31:02,040
experiments but

3789
02:31:05,929 --> 02:31:04,620
these Europeans and the secret block did

3790
02:31:07,550 --> 02:31:05,939
um where you know basically you could um

3791
02:31:09,110 --> 02:31:07,560
uh you know you could kill people but

3792
02:31:10,730 --> 02:31:09,120
with power of your mind from a thousand

3793
02:31:13,010 --> 02:31:10,740
thousands of kilometers away whether

3794
02:31:15,710 --> 02:31:13,020
it's um

3795
02:31:17,690 --> 02:31:15,720
depending how to operate the controls of

3796
02:31:19,490 --> 02:31:17,700
an advanced UAP using your Consciousness

3797
02:31:21,950 --> 02:31:19,500
whether it's trying to be in contact

3798
02:31:23,090 --> 02:31:21,960
with with them with ET or whoever it is

3799
02:31:25,309 --> 02:31:23,100
some other

3800
02:31:26,750 --> 02:31:25,319
Consciousness um I think if you look at

3801
02:31:27,950 --> 02:31:26,760
what happened to skinwalk I mean the

3802
02:31:32,750 --> 02:31:27,960
people there definitely try to make

3803
02:31:37,670 --> 02:31:34,550
and if you've got something that can um

3804
02:31:39,290 --> 02:31:37,680
you know uh you know examine cows um you

3805
02:31:41,090 --> 02:31:39,300
know within sight of ranchers during the

3806
02:31:44,150 --> 02:31:41,100
day you know 400 meters away and you

3807
02:31:45,650 --> 02:31:44,160
know in physical entities and um yeah so

3808
02:31:48,230 --> 02:31:45,660
you know crypto that can survive

3809
02:31:49,790 --> 02:31:48,240
gunshots from High Velocity rounds then

3810
02:31:51,770 --> 02:31:49,800
um you'll want to weaponize all of those

3811
02:31:53,090 --> 02:31:51,780
capabilities one you don't want to

3812
02:31:54,889 --> 02:31:53,100
understand you know what's the level of

3813
02:31:56,090 --> 02:31:54,899
threat to your enforces then you're

3814
02:31:59,210 --> 02:31:56,100
going to want to understand how to

3815
02:32:00,770 --> 02:31:59,220
weaponize that and then and also You're

3816
02:32:02,090 --> 02:32:00,780
Gonna Wanna mitigate

3817
02:32:04,309 --> 02:32:02,100
um those things that are operating in a

3818
02:32:05,270 --> 02:32:04,319
place like Skinwalker uh um I guess your

3819
02:32:06,830 --> 02:32:05,280
own horses then also you're going to

3820
02:32:08,510 --> 02:32:06,840
want to protect it or

3821
02:32:09,830 --> 02:32:08,520
um against any other you know

3822
02:32:13,190 --> 02:32:09,840
terrestrial I just reaping their hands

3823
02:32:18,050 --> 02:32:13,200
on it so so yeah um anything that can be

3824
02:32:24,410 --> 02:32:21,889
yeah absolutely I mean no doubt right

3825
02:32:27,110 --> 02:32:24,420
um so you know it's a very interesting

3826
02:32:28,670 --> 02:32:27,120
question and I wonder as well

3827
02:32:30,950 --> 02:32:28,680
um at least you know speculated about

3828
02:32:34,070 --> 02:32:30,960
this with Darren on liminal frames but

3829
02:32:36,469 --> 02:32:34,080
the degree to which other beings who may

3830
02:32:40,670 --> 02:32:36,479
have uh greater Mastery over

3831
02:32:42,349 --> 02:32:40,680
Consciousness and its ability to enhance

3832
02:32:45,830 --> 02:32:42,359
or uh

3833
02:32:47,929 --> 02:32:45,840
changed reality or perceived reality did

3834
02:32:50,450 --> 02:32:47,939
they have the maturity to use that

3835
02:32:52,250 --> 02:32:50,460
properly you know do they because you

3836
02:32:55,190 --> 02:32:52,260
know if you think about this like what

3837
02:32:58,250 --> 02:32:55,200
if uh you know Humanity

3838
02:33:00,230 --> 02:32:58,260
were to cease to exist tomorrow and so

3839
02:33:01,670 --> 02:33:00,240
but but and then there's an afterlife

3840
02:33:03,770 --> 02:33:01,680
and then and they're we're all there

3841
02:33:06,710 --> 02:33:03,780
we're kind of transitioning to some

3842
02:33:08,330 --> 02:33:06,720
other you know bodied spin-bodied

3843
02:33:10,969 --> 02:33:08,340
experience

3844
02:33:13,070 --> 02:33:10,979
um a lot of us would probably abuse

3845
02:33:14,929 --> 02:33:13,080
whatever abilities those other bodies

3846
02:33:17,750 --> 02:33:14,939
might have if they were enhanced from

3847
02:33:20,030 --> 02:33:17,760
our own you know so our next iteration

3848
02:33:22,790 --> 02:33:20,040
wouldn't exactly necess you know be like

3849
02:33:25,790 --> 02:33:22,800
wiser or more mature but we might be

3850
02:33:27,469 --> 02:33:25,800
able to do more damage right so

3851
02:33:29,690 --> 02:33:27,479
I think that could very well be what's

3852
02:33:32,389 --> 02:33:29,700
happening with some of these others that

3853
02:33:34,790 --> 02:33:32,399
they uh have a greater technological

3854
02:33:38,210 --> 02:33:34,800
ability but not necessarily a greater

3855
02:33:40,610 --> 02:33:38,220
wit wisdom or control or maturity with

3856
02:33:44,030 --> 02:33:40,620
respect to these abilities obviously

3857
02:33:46,670 --> 02:33:44,040
that is entirely speculative but um it's

3858
02:33:49,370 --> 02:33:46,680
a lot of power and if the us or any

3859
02:33:51,349 --> 02:33:49,380
other government you know can manipulate

3860
02:33:52,849 --> 02:33:51,359
that and use it to its Advantage then

3861
02:33:55,309 --> 02:33:52,859
absolutely that would be the ultimate

3862
02:33:58,690 --> 02:33:55,319
trump card would it would it not

3863
02:33:58,700 --> 02:34:03,230
for me

3864
02:34:06,170 --> 02:34:04,910
a lot of things from the from the world

3865
02:34:09,170 --> 02:34:06,180
of if the

3866
02:34:11,450 --> 02:34:09,180
of them saying uh Consciousness type

3867
02:34:13,309 --> 02:34:11,460
technology more than we had and one

3868
02:34:15,110 --> 02:34:13,319
after I often think this to myself that

3869
02:34:17,090 --> 02:34:15,120
keeps me up at night

3870
02:34:19,610 --> 02:34:17,100
dear to the Ancients possess an

3871
02:34:22,610 --> 02:34:19,620
understanding of Consciousness and how

3872
02:34:24,830 --> 02:34:22,620
to use remote viewing how to use you

3873
02:34:26,870 --> 02:34:24,840
know all of their extra abilities that

3874
02:34:29,450 --> 02:34:26,880
gave them perhaps some kind of Advantage

3875
02:34:33,170 --> 02:34:29,460
evolutionary at that time we put did

3876
02:34:35,510 --> 02:34:33,180
humans possess this this knowledge then

3877
02:34:38,450 --> 02:34:35,520
we lost it somehow and the fact that

3878
02:34:41,210 --> 02:34:38,460
that we don't understand how it's used

3879
02:34:43,250 --> 02:34:41,220
in this day and age I find really really

3880
02:34:46,190 --> 02:34:43,260
interesting because you know you look at

3881
02:34:47,990 --> 02:34:46,200
what the Ancients built and they had had

3882
02:34:50,090 --> 02:34:48,000
knowledge without the technology of

3883
02:34:52,429 --> 02:34:50,100
aquaphor's under Stone circles they had

3884
02:34:55,010 --> 02:34:52,439
they had they had not knowledge of the

3885
02:34:57,230 --> 02:34:55,020
Celeste the way the the heavens moved

3886
02:34:59,210 --> 02:34:57,240
and they had knowledge that they just

3887
02:35:01,910 --> 02:34:59,220
couldn't possess but that perhaps

3888
02:35:04,490 --> 02:35:01,920
without having a technology spanned over

3889
02:35:06,770 --> 02:35:04,500
thousands of miles someone in you know

3890
02:35:08,630 --> 02:35:06,780
in in the the near Australia in the

3891
02:35:10,250 --> 02:35:08,640
Pacific out there would have the same

3892
02:35:12,290 --> 02:35:10,260
knowledge as someone out in South

3893
02:35:14,450 --> 02:35:12,300
America and they weren't flying around

3894
02:35:16,010 --> 02:35:14,460
to tell each other so how how did they

3895
02:35:18,010 --> 02:35:16,020
possess this type of knowledge if it

3896
02:35:20,809 --> 02:35:18,020
wasn't on some kind of information

3897
02:35:21,650 --> 02:35:20,819
Consciousness Highway and I do think

3898
02:35:25,309 --> 02:35:21,660
that

3899
02:35:27,410 --> 02:35:25,319
we've lost it perhaps now but you know

3900
02:35:29,690 --> 02:35:27,420
looking at the work that Dr Gary Nolan's

3901
02:35:31,790 --> 02:35:29,700
doing and experiences that have been

3902
02:35:33,650 --> 02:35:31,800
near craft or something's happened to

3903
02:35:35,450 --> 02:35:33,660
them and part of their brain that's

3904
02:35:38,349 --> 02:35:35,460
responsible for Consciousness is

3905
02:35:41,690 --> 02:35:38,359
enlarged is it happening because it is

3906
02:35:44,030 --> 02:35:41,700
evolutionary kind of advantageous to

3907
02:35:46,610 --> 02:35:44,040
happen I am just the speculative queen

3908
02:35:48,170 --> 02:35:46,620
I'm just going to put it out there no no

3909
02:35:51,469 --> 02:35:48,180
I mean I love that I mean I think it's

3910
02:35:53,630 --> 02:35:51,479
safe to say that our ancient ancestors

3911
02:35:55,849 --> 02:35:53,640
um certainly were leaning on skills and

3912
02:35:57,110 --> 02:35:55,859
abilities that we really don't rely on

3913
02:36:00,230 --> 02:35:57,120
very much anymore you know our

3914
02:36:01,550 --> 02:36:00,240
materialist world right we're we kind of

3915
02:36:04,550 --> 02:36:01,560
walk around with these technological

3916
02:36:07,070 --> 02:36:04,560
crushes that enable us to do a lot of

3917
02:36:08,990 --> 02:36:07,080
amazing things but but because we lean

3918
02:36:10,730 --> 02:36:09,000
on those things we don't develop and

3919
02:36:13,790 --> 02:36:10,740
kind of work those other muscles that

3920
02:36:16,250 --> 02:36:13,800
maybe are part of our our our toolkit

3921
02:36:17,630 --> 02:36:16,260
and so it's very conceivable that you

3922
02:36:19,370 --> 02:36:17,640
know again being speculative here but

3923
02:36:22,370 --> 02:36:19,380
it's conceivable that there's this uh

3924
02:36:25,130 --> 02:36:22,380
kind of deeper intuition uh this deeper

3925
02:36:27,830 --> 02:36:25,140
way of knowing that ancient people may

3926
02:36:31,190 --> 02:36:27,840
have uh possessed and been quite Adept

3927
02:36:32,870 --> 02:36:31,200
at using I love the idea of that right I

3928
02:36:34,550 --> 02:36:32,880
mean to me the Romantic in me is like

3929
02:36:35,870 --> 02:36:34,560
yeah that's so cool and I want to I want

3930
02:36:37,670 --> 02:36:35,880
to know what that looks like you know

3931
02:36:39,170 --> 02:36:37,680
what could they do

3932
02:36:40,910 --> 02:36:39,180
yeah totally and there's a lot of

3933
02:36:43,370 --> 02:36:40,920
connections you can you can sort of put

3934
02:36:44,690 --> 02:36:43,380
piece together again speculatively but

3935
02:36:46,429 --> 02:36:44,700
one thing Frank mentioned there he

3936
02:36:48,349 --> 02:36:46,439
brought up skin walker Ranch that

3937
02:36:50,630 --> 02:36:48,359
ultimate automatically made me think of

3938
02:36:52,130 --> 02:36:50,640
the work of Colonel John Alexander who I

3939
02:36:54,770 --> 02:36:52,140
know Frank knows really well and you

3940
02:36:57,230 --> 02:36:54,780
know he's got links to a lot of studies

3941
02:36:58,610 --> 02:36:57,240
into non-lethal Weaponry but then you

3942
02:37:00,590 --> 02:36:58,620
know if you think about the advanced

3943
02:37:02,210 --> 02:37:00,600
theoretical physics working group like

3944
02:37:04,550 --> 02:37:02,220
could there be connections there between

3945
02:37:06,110 --> 02:37:04,560
some kind of Consciousness based or

3946
02:37:08,510 --> 02:37:06,120
Advanced kind of technology that

3947
02:37:11,450 --> 02:37:08,520
utilizes something non-lethal that's not

3948
02:37:13,790 --> 02:37:11,460
you know your average guns and and

3949
02:37:15,530 --> 02:37:13,800
physical Weaponry you know it throws up

3950
02:37:18,770 --> 02:37:15,540
so many questions for me but I find it

3951
02:37:21,590 --> 02:37:18,780
fascinating again speculatively but yeah

3952
02:37:21,600 --> 02:37:28,750
foreign

3953
02:37:35,389 --> 02:37:32,210
if you were going to go if we were to go

3954
02:37:36,650 --> 02:37:35,399
um full on David Jacobs right

3955
02:37:38,389 --> 02:37:36,660
um and I respect his work and I'm fast

3956
02:37:40,610 --> 02:37:38,399
and always been fasted by his work so if

3957
02:37:43,070 --> 02:37:40,620
you assume speculatively that there's a

3958
02:37:45,050 --> 02:37:43,080
highly Advanced alien race on Earth and

3959
02:37:47,809 --> 02:37:45,060
they're slowly basically taking up the

3960
02:37:50,210 --> 02:37:47,819
human race by uh you know breeding with

3961
02:37:52,490 --> 02:37:50,220
us and using our DNA and basically

3962
02:37:54,050 --> 02:37:52,500
replacing us with uh hubris you know

3963
02:37:55,370 --> 02:37:54,060
aliens that look like humans and they're

3964
02:37:57,830 --> 02:37:55,380
going to keep a small group of humans

3965
02:38:00,110 --> 02:37:57,840
basically a slave labor and that they

3966
02:38:02,090 --> 02:38:00,120
rely on telepathy for power then that

3967
02:38:04,070 --> 02:38:02,100
would be very very scary because uh you

3968
02:38:06,710 --> 02:38:04,080
know you're military you have to be able

3969
02:38:09,290 --> 02:38:06,720
to train your operators so they could uh

3970
02:38:11,210 --> 02:38:09,300
you know counter this telepathic powers

3971
02:38:12,590 --> 02:38:11,220
control and you'd be worried about your

3972
02:38:14,630 --> 02:38:12,600
National command Authority being taken

3973
02:38:16,010 --> 02:38:14,640
over and uh you know the you know your

3974
02:38:17,690 --> 02:38:16,020
president and your key decision makers

3975
02:38:19,730 --> 02:38:17,700
being assassinated by members of their

3976
02:38:20,990 --> 02:38:19,740
security details or actually alien and

3977
02:38:23,570 --> 02:38:21,000
hybrids so you want to have people

3978
02:38:25,010 --> 02:38:23,580
humans who can identify them and you'd

3979
02:38:27,050 --> 02:38:25,020
also want to be able to you know remote

3980
02:38:29,210 --> 02:38:27,060
view you'd also want to be you know be

3981
02:38:31,010 --> 02:38:29,220
able to remote you their activities uh

3982
02:38:32,809 --> 02:38:31,020
their their craft how their craft work

3983
02:38:35,090 --> 02:38:32,819
the Technologies what their intentions

3984
02:38:36,590 --> 02:38:35,100
are where they come from their Witnesses

3985
02:38:38,450 --> 02:38:36,600
you know their combat effective to this

3986
02:38:40,190 --> 02:38:38,460
organization you know intentions and

3987
02:38:41,389 --> 02:38:40,200
locations basically so those are all

3988
02:38:42,770 --> 02:38:41,399
things that you want to do from like you

3989
02:38:44,030 --> 02:38:42,780
know Military Intelligence perspective

3990
02:38:46,130 --> 02:38:44,040
if you were just looking at it

3991
02:38:47,270 --> 02:38:46,140
speculatively but um you know there's a

3992
02:38:48,650 --> 02:38:47,280
lot of things going on around us that

3993
02:38:50,090 --> 02:38:48,660
are invisible and they interact with us

3994
02:38:51,710 --> 02:38:50,100
or we don't know what they are and some

3995
02:38:53,570 --> 02:38:51,720
of them seem to be United Deni and some

3996
02:38:55,190 --> 02:38:53,580
of them seem to be not so if you talk to

3997
02:38:57,170 --> 02:38:55,200
Adaptive that's an absolutely horrible

3998
02:38:59,330 --> 02:38:57,180
experience if you talk to an experiencer

3999
02:39:00,650 --> 02:38:59,340
then by the nature themselves coordinate

4000
02:39:02,750 --> 02:39:00,660
themselves an experience just more maybe

4001
02:39:05,570 --> 02:39:02,760
of a benign experience that they've had

4002
02:39:06,889 --> 02:39:05,580
um so you've really got a err on the

4003
02:39:08,389 --> 02:39:06,899
side of caution I think take the good

4004
02:39:09,710 --> 02:39:08,399
with the good but also be prepared for

4005
02:39:13,190 --> 02:39:09,720
the bad and I think the military tree

4006
02:39:15,110 --> 02:39:13,200
and and you know the groups like um uh

4007
02:39:16,670 --> 02:39:15,120
you know that uh like Nick Redfern has

4008
02:39:19,490 --> 02:39:16,680
mentioned and the Collins Elite you know

4009
02:39:21,230 --> 02:39:19,500
some people were deeply disturbed by

4010
02:39:22,670 --> 02:39:21,240
um you know the these uh these other

4011
02:39:24,770 --> 02:39:22,680
entities and the fact that they may be

4012
02:39:26,750 --> 02:39:24,780
demonic for example so that was just the

4013
02:39:28,429 --> 02:39:26,760
point that I wanted to put in there

4014
02:39:30,650 --> 02:39:28,439
yeah thank you Frank I know DJ you

4015
02:39:32,270 --> 02:39:30,660
wanted to get on this too

4016
02:39:34,490 --> 02:39:32,280
yeah for one thing I want to say to

4017
02:39:35,809 --> 02:39:34,500
everybody I just want to reset that uh

4018
02:39:38,870 --> 02:39:35,819
just to let everybody know the other

4019
02:39:40,849 --> 02:39:38,880
projects so uh Nathan here uh the

4020
02:39:43,190 --> 02:39:40,859
co-conspirator of this joint is also the

4021
02:39:45,530 --> 02:39:43,200
host of liminal frames along with

4022
02:39:46,610 --> 02:39:45,540
exo-academian and he's also hosting a

4023
02:39:48,830 --> 02:39:46,620
new once a month show called

4024
02:39:51,290 --> 02:39:48,840
perturbations with Kelly Chase of the

4025
02:39:53,510 --> 02:39:51,300
UFO rabbit hole and I'd like everybody

4026
02:39:55,730 --> 02:39:53,520
to check that out and give that yeah

4027
02:39:57,830 --> 02:39:55,740
let's have Holly and give that one some

4028
02:39:59,630 --> 02:39:57,840
love a like and a subscribe as well as

4029
02:40:02,929 --> 02:39:59,640
well as you should do for this show if

4030
02:40:05,050 --> 02:40:02,939
you if you so desire and uh the host of

4031
02:40:07,610 --> 02:40:05,060
the weird sisters that's

4032
02:40:09,290 --> 02:40:07,620
w-y-r-d-e the weird sisters on YouTube

4033
02:40:11,330 --> 02:40:09,300
don't know if they're on podcast because

4034
02:40:13,130 --> 02:40:11,340
Holly's ignoring me when I ask her that

4035
02:40:16,309 --> 02:40:13,140
question if not we will get her on

4036
02:40:18,830 --> 02:40:16,319
podcast in short order uh and of course

4037
02:40:23,290 --> 02:40:18,840
the host of the disclosure team The

4038
02:40:26,929 --> 02:40:23,300
Legend who gonna be speaking in Roswell

4039
02:40:29,330 --> 02:40:26,939
Vinnie Adams my brother

4040
02:40:30,469 --> 02:40:29,340
um both support and the Union Jack uh we

4041
02:40:32,270 --> 02:40:30,479
have a

4042
02:40:35,090 --> 02:40:32,280
some of us on here that are American

4043
02:40:38,030 --> 02:40:35,100
that absolutely love uh British culture

4044
02:40:40,730 --> 02:40:38,040
and so this episode basically is a

4045
02:40:43,730 --> 02:40:40,740
celebration of uh British culture from

4046
02:40:46,610 --> 02:40:43,740
Americans uh we love it and that's why

4047
02:40:48,650 --> 02:40:46,620
we've put this together twice and there

4048
02:40:51,349 --> 02:40:48,660
will be a Thrice and we'll try to get

4049
02:40:54,110 --> 02:40:51,359
some new people on including a brother a

4050
02:40:56,450 --> 02:40:54,120
sister from the Republic of Ireland get

4051
02:40:59,210 --> 02:40:56,460
up in this joint and someone from

4052
02:41:00,830 --> 02:40:59,220
Scotland and so we got to get that in we

4053
02:41:02,330 --> 02:41:00,840
didn't get my grill in unfortunately but

4054
02:41:05,389 --> 02:41:02,340
maybe we can get another Scotsman on

4055
02:41:06,830 --> 02:41:05,399
here uh and Another Irish person uh for

4056
02:41:09,469 --> 02:41:06,840
the next one

4057
02:41:11,450 --> 02:41:09,479
so my thoughts on this topic on the

4058
02:41:15,050 --> 02:41:11,460
brilliant question posed by Miss Holly

4059
02:41:16,849 --> 02:41:15,060
Ann Wood is that um

4060
02:41:20,389 --> 02:41:16,859
as an empath that's how I'm going to

4061
02:41:21,469 --> 02:41:20,399
look at this uh as an empath which which

4062
02:41:23,870 --> 02:41:21,479
is me

4063
02:41:27,170 --> 02:41:23,880
and so I'm gonna try to ask each

4064
02:41:29,990 --> 02:41:27,180
panelist here to put themself in the

4065
02:41:32,270 --> 02:41:30,000
position of either sect death or

4066
02:41:36,469 --> 02:41:32,280
president if you will

4067
02:41:38,450 --> 02:41:36,479
and if you are so now I am president of

4068
02:41:41,809 --> 02:41:38,460
my country whatever country that happens

4069
02:41:45,770 --> 02:41:41,819
to be uh or I am Secretary of Defense or

4070
02:41:48,410 --> 02:41:45,780
minister of defense and so now we're

4071
02:41:51,230 --> 02:41:48,420
asking ourselves the question can I

4072
02:41:54,650 --> 02:41:51,240
weaponize my knowledge of Consciousness

4073
02:41:58,910 --> 02:41:54,660
to give me an advantage over who my

4074
02:42:00,889 --> 02:41:58,920
rivals are who the competitors are or

4075
02:42:03,349 --> 02:42:00,899
maybe even to the rising to the level of

4076
02:42:06,410 --> 02:42:03,359
enemy are is that Russia is that China

4077
02:42:08,809 --> 02:42:06,420
whoever that that country is now you're

4078
02:42:11,210 --> 02:42:08,819
asking me as an empath if I'm placing

4079
02:42:14,809 --> 02:42:11,220
myself in a position of responsibility

4080
02:42:16,790 --> 02:42:14,819
over the defense of my nation would I

4081
02:42:19,309 --> 02:42:16,800
weaponize that so I'll ask all of you

4082
02:42:21,170 --> 02:42:19,319
that question would you weaponize your

4083
02:42:23,510 --> 02:42:21,180
knowledge of Consciousness that you got

4084
02:42:25,429 --> 02:42:23,520
from these experiencers and people that

4085
02:42:27,950 --> 02:42:25,439
you brought in like uh through the Hal

4086
02:42:30,490 --> 02:42:27,960
put off initiative

4087
02:42:33,950 --> 02:42:30,500
wow take it around

4088
02:42:35,870 --> 02:42:33,960
absolutely without doubt yeah yeah Frank

4089
02:42:37,969 --> 02:42:35,880
is easy shoot that's why I said shooting

4090
02:42:41,450 --> 02:42:37,979
fish in a barrel Vin and Nathan and

4091
02:42:44,030 --> 02:42:41,460
Holly yeah I suppose I'd use that term

4092
02:42:46,790 --> 02:42:44,040
as I wouldn't use weaponized how we

4093
02:42:48,650 --> 02:42:46,800
think about it as in a

4094
02:42:52,250 --> 02:42:48,660
um in a bad way I'd use it as I'd

4095
02:42:54,290 --> 02:42:52,260
weaponize it to spread positivity if I

4096
02:42:56,150 --> 02:42:54,300
had some knowledge to Spread spread it

4097
02:42:58,429 --> 02:42:56,160
globally you know I know that sounds

4098
02:43:00,950 --> 02:42:58,439
right a sec death that's not your

4099
02:43:02,809 --> 02:43:00,960
mission is Defending Your Country so

4100
02:43:05,330 --> 02:43:02,819
would you use it to gain an advantage

4101
02:43:07,130 --> 02:43:05,340
that's all let me say well like I I I

4102
02:43:10,010 --> 02:43:07,140
guess I'd have to wouldn't I if that was

4103
02:43:12,650 --> 02:43:10,020
my job right yeah then I would do my job

4104
02:43:14,389 --> 02:43:12,660
I would honor my my you know what I

4105
02:43:16,849 --> 02:43:14,399
signed up to do then there is no

4106
02:43:21,250 --> 02:43:16,859
question I'd have to otherwise I'd be a

4107
02:43:26,690 --> 02:43:24,590
your disclosure team or cab but we're

4108
02:43:28,130 --> 02:43:26,700
not we're not sector for president I

4109
02:43:29,809 --> 02:43:28,140
thought we were going a little bit more

4110
02:43:31,929 --> 02:43:29,819
like you know

4111
02:43:34,610 --> 02:43:31,939
I was with you

4112
02:43:36,590 --> 02:43:34,620
I was trying to yeah I like a lot of

4113
02:43:39,710 --> 02:43:36,600
thinking though if I'm sticking to the

4114
02:43:41,690 --> 02:43:39,720
mission uh in on a in a as you say it

4115
02:43:44,330 --> 02:43:41,700
straight down the line then no question

4116
02:43:46,070 --> 02:43:44,340
I would I would do what I have to do

4117
02:43:49,370 --> 02:43:46,080
what I signed up for that's my job

4118
02:43:51,590 --> 02:43:49,380
that's my role that's my duty your PD

4119
02:43:54,770 --> 02:43:51,600
doesn't say spread positivity when you

4120
02:43:58,309 --> 02:43:54,780
sign on the sector for president or uh

4121
02:43:59,990 --> 02:43:58,319
or even uh in the UK the the Prime

4122
02:44:01,849 --> 02:44:00,000
Minister it doesn't say spread

4123
02:44:04,370 --> 02:44:01,859
positivity no I think what I got from it

4124
02:44:06,950 --> 02:44:04,380
is that as as a person in power rather

4125
02:44:09,290 --> 02:44:06,960
than just automatically go to a a

4126
02:44:11,630 --> 02:44:09,300
weaponized aspect I would then start

4127
02:44:13,610 --> 02:44:11,640
going more diplomatic and using

4128
02:44:15,230 --> 02:44:13,620
alternative routes to spread a message

4129
02:44:17,090 --> 02:44:15,240
rather than just going straight to war

4130
02:44:19,010 --> 02:44:17,100
that's kind of the angle I was going at

4131
02:44:20,750 --> 02:44:19,020
but yeah you know no you're right

4132
02:44:22,730 --> 02:44:20,760
weaponize has a negative connotation

4133
02:44:25,190 --> 02:44:22,740
uses yeah Advantage would be the better

4134
02:44:26,150 --> 02:44:25,200
way to say it whatever that route that

4135
02:44:28,330 --> 02:44:26,160
takes

4136
02:44:30,050 --> 02:44:28,340
can I just resign

4137
02:44:31,969 --> 02:44:30,060
[Laughter]

4138
02:44:35,990 --> 02:44:31,979
you already have you didn't apply for

4139
02:44:40,130 --> 02:44:38,210
absolutely I mean how could you not

4140
02:44:41,690 --> 02:44:40,140
um but I do like many where you landed

4141
02:44:43,790 --> 02:44:41,700
with the Diplomatic influence I think

4142
02:44:46,550 --> 02:44:43,800
that would be probably its primary use

4143
02:44:49,610 --> 02:44:46,560
case uh although once that knowledge

4144
02:44:52,730 --> 02:44:49,620
becomes well known it would trickle into

4145
02:44:54,590 --> 02:44:52,740
every facet of the apparatus right so uh

4146
02:44:56,510 --> 02:44:54,600
if it were known at the Diplomatic level

4147
02:44:58,370 --> 02:44:56,520
the sort of Head of the State level then

4148
02:45:01,490 --> 02:44:58,380
I think it would be used there in

4149
02:45:03,830 --> 02:45:01,500
negotiation to influence outcomes in

4150
02:45:05,450 --> 02:45:03,840
favor of the state but once people know

4151
02:45:08,150 --> 02:45:05,460
you can do that they're going to want to

4152
02:45:10,010 --> 02:45:08,160
get it down to the lowest level and and

4153
02:45:12,230 --> 02:45:10,020
you know influence operations on the

4154
02:45:15,290 --> 02:45:12,240
ground or wherever they may be right so

4155
02:45:17,270 --> 02:45:15,300
uh that's powerful powerful stuff

4156
02:45:19,309 --> 02:45:17,280
dabs

4157
02:45:22,370 --> 02:45:19,319
I don't really like answering moral

4158
02:45:24,849 --> 02:45:22,380
questions like this one because it's not

4159
02:45:27,590 --> 02:45:24,859
it's not a moral question yeah

4160
02:45:29,690 --> 02:45:27,600
once you've signed on to that job it's

4161
02:45:31,670 --> 02:45:29,700
not it you don't you then you just don't

4162
02:45:34,849 --> 02:45:31,680
sign up for that job well let me put it

4163
02:45:36,349 --> 02:45:34,859
let me put it just risk nine yeah that's

4164
02:45:40,490 --> 02:45:36,359
what I would do but let me let me just

4165
02:45:42,710 --> 02:45:40,500
say this the people who decided to make

4166
02:45:46,010 --> 02:45:42,720
the atom bomb and then use the atom bomb

4167
02:45:47,870 --> 02:45:46,020
essentially to me it's the same they did

4168
02:45:50,410 --> 02:45:47,880
it they did it because they felt like it

4169
02:45:53,389 --> 02:45:50,420
was the right thing to do it was

4170
02:45:54,889 --> 02:45:53,399
catastrophic and they you know they did

4171
02:45:56,330 --> 02:45:54,899
it one more time I was going to say they

4172
02:45:57,469 --> 02:45:56,340
never did it again but they did it one

4173
02:46:01,010 --> 02:45:57,479
more time and then you know they

4174
02:46:03,710 --> 02:46:01,020
continued to try to make other bombs so

4175
02:46:05,990 --> 02:46:03,720
you know if that's anything that kind of

4176
02:46:07,730 --> 02:46:06,000
tells us what would happen and the

4177
02:46:10,130 --> 02:46:07,740
consequences

4178
02:46:12,050 --> 02:46:10,140
so yeah I mean I don't know if it's a

4179
02:46:14,450 --> 02:46:12,060
defect of an atom bomb of destroying an

4180
02:46:16,250 --> 02:46:14,460
entire city but just the idea of it but

4181
02:46:18,170 --> 02:46:16,260
I know I I knew that you would have that

4182
02:46:20,870 --> 02:46:18,180
response that's not surprising and I I

4183
02:46:24,110 --> 02:46:20,880
get it it's it's you know if you're it's

4184
02:46:25,849 --> 02:46:24,120
just again it's taking you it this

4185
02:46:28,429 --> 02:46:25,859
requires the ability to take you out of

4186
02:46:30,530 --> 02:46:28,439
what you think and how you feel and have

4187
02:46:32,690 --> 02:46:30,540
you sign on to something that may go

4188
02:46:34,910 --> 02:46:32,700
against some of your personal beliefs

4189
02:46:37,490 --> 02:46:34,920
it's the same as going to war you know

4190
02:46:39,889 --> 02:46:37,500
Frank's done it I've done it you may

4191
02:46:42,410 --> 02:46:39,899
fire on somebody and kill somebody and

4192
02:46:44,990 --> 02:46:42,420
I'm against that right but I've signed

4193
02:46:47,150 --> 02:46:45,000
on to say I'm going to do this I don't

4194
02:46:49,670 --> 02:46:47,160
have a TR and I've done this Frank's

4195
02:46:52,490 --> 02:46:49,680
done this I don't have a choice to say I

4196
02:46:54,710 --> 02:46:52,500
don't want to do this now otherwise

4197
02:46:56,210 --> 02:46:54,720
get in the back of the bus and then head

4198
02:46:58,130 --> 02:46:56,220
off to Leavenworth and we'll figure out

4199
02:46:59,870 --> 02:46:58,140
to do with what you with you when you

4200
02:47:02,750 --> 02:46:59,880
get there so you don't you don't get

4201
02:47:04,670 --> 02:47:02,760
that choice you know once you sign on to

4202
02:47:06,469 --> 02:47:04,680
a position you know that going in that

4203
02:47:09,889 --> 02:47:06,479
you're gonna have to make this call now

4204
02:47:12,230 --> 02:47:09,899
hopefully uh again it's leverage and not

4205
02:47:14,929 --> 02:47:12,240
weaponized so putting it in that that

4206
02:47:17,150 --> 02:47:14,939
can kind of change how you think about

4207
02:47:19,910 --> 02:47:17,160
it weaponize is one thing and by the way

4208
02:47:21,770 --> 02:47:19,920
Deb I don't man your Hiroshima and

4209
02:47:24,290 --> 02:47:21,780
Nagasaki just you know it makes me sick

4210
02:47:26,990 --> 02:47:24,300
to think about it

4211
02:47:30,110 --> 02:47:27,000
well I'm I've learned from my dad that

4212
02:47:31,730 --> 02:47:30,120
no soldier ever wanted to do these bad

4213
02:47:34,370 --> 02:47:31,740
things that they had to do there was

4214
02:47:38,809 --> 02:47:34,380
orders and considered to be protecting

4215
02:47:42,469 --> 02:47:40,610
for sure all right well I think we're

4216
02:47:44,090 --> 02:47:42,479
coming to our last round here uh Frank

4217
02:47:45,290 --> 02:47:44,100
I'm gonna let you introduce this topic

4218
02:47:47,450 --> 02:47:45,300
unless you want to jump back in on that

4219
02:47:48,650 --> 02:47:47,460
last one before you do

4220
02:47:49,910 --> 02:47:48,660
you guys want to jump back to the last

4221
02:47:52,370 --> 02:47:49,920
one I mean if I was a U.S Secretary of

4222
02:47:53,990 --> 02:47:52,380
Defense and if I have to um you know I'm

4223
02:47:54,950 --> 02:47:54,000
looking at China has stated they you

4224
02:47:56,330 --> 02:47:54,960
know they want to surpass the United

4225
02:47:58,429 --> 02:47:56,340
States and Military economic and

4226
02:48:00,889 --> 02:47:58,439
technological terms of 2049 which is

4227
02:48:02,929 --> 02:48:00,899
incidentally uh the time by which 2050

4228
02:48:04,670 --> 02:48:02,939
by which Eric Davis said we have to have

4229
02:48:06,710 --> 02:48:04,680
a technology that approximates those the

4230
02:48:07,910 --> 02:48:06,720
Tic Tacs in case they become aggressive

4231
02:48:09,830 --> 02:48:07,920
so I'm trying to manage two different

4232
02:48:11,870 --> 02:48:09,840
sources of threat

4233
02:48:13,370 --> 02:48:11,880
um let the Chinese put them their own

4234
02:48:14,809 --> 02:48:13,380
demonstration Camp so do I really want

4235
02:48:17,510 --> 02:48:14,819
them dominating the United States and

4236
02:48:19,370 --> 02:48:17,520
around the world by 2049 no I don't

4237
02:48:20,570 --> 02:48:19,380
um Russia has shown um you know once

4238
02:48:23,210 --> 02:48:20,580
again it's kind of like World War II

4239
02:48:24,469 --> 02:48:23,220
brutality in Ukraine so do I want them

4240
02:48:26,150 --> 02:48:24,479
um you know extending that brutality

4241
02:48:27,650 --> 02:48:26,160
outside of Syria and Ukraine and other

4242
02:48:29,270 --> 02:48:27,660
countries no I don't they need to be put

4243
02:48:30,889 --> 02:48:29,280
back in their box uh the mullers and

4244
02:48:32,690 --> 02:48:30,899
Tehran they want you their weapons right

4245
02:48:34,670 --> 02:48:32,700
so they need to be dealt with too

4246
02:48:36,050 --> 02:48:34,680
um the dprk the lovely you know the dear

4247
02:48:38,090 --> 02:48:36,060
leader and pyongyak

4248
02:48:40,790 --> 02:48:38,100
he's also a problem so he needs to go to

4249
02:48:42,650 --> 02:48:40,800
so if I can you know you weaponize these

4250
02:48:43,910 --> 02:48:42,660
kind of Technologies and I can you know

4251
02:48:45,349 --> 02:48:43,920
I'm not talking about you know

4252
02:48:47,270 --> 02:48:45,359
decapitations right to take out their

4253
02:48:49,070 --> 02:48:47,280
their decision makers but if I can uh

4254
02:48:50,990 --> 02:48:49,080
you know take out their their nukes and

4255
02:48:52,370 --> 02:48:51,000
their means of basically you know uh you

4256
02:48:54,410 --> 02:48:52,380
know threatening their neighbors then I

4257
02:48:56,330 --> 02:48:54,420
will do that and make sure that um you

4258
02:48:57,830 --> 02:48:56,340
know America and peace like Nations uh

4259
02:48:59,990 --> 02:48:57,840
continue to dominate um you know the

4260
02:49:02,150 --> 02:49:00,000
International Space

4261
02:49:04,130 --> 02:49:02,160
so I'm happy with that I mean I can

4262
02:49:07,910 --> 02:49:04,140
introduce my topic as well

4263
02:49:11,270 --> 02:49:09,710
yeah well thanks for the really

4264
02:49:13,670 --> 02:49:11,280
fascinating ones I've gone before and

4265
02:49:15,290 --> 02:49:13,680
actually they go really nicely into

4266
02:49:17,150 --> 02:49:15,300
um what I was about to talk about which

4267
02:49:20,090 --> 02:49:17,160
was to ask the question

4268
02:49:21,469 --> 02:49:20,100
has there been a deliberate policy on

4269
02:49:23,389 --> 02:49:21,479
the on the part of uh certain

4270
02:49:25,670 --> 02:49:23,399
governments principally um United States

4271
02:49:29,090 --> 02:49:25,680
and the United Kingdom and to shoot down

4272
02:49:30,349 --> 02:49:29,100
UAP for whatever reason so we know we

4273
02:49:32,270 --> 02:49:30,359
already talked about the Milton Torres

4274
02:49:36,050 --> 02:49:32,280
case in the UK

4275
02:49:38,389 --> 02:49:36,060
um we know about the 1970 um

4276
02:49:40,849 --> 02:49:38,399
to Ron case we know about the 1980 Peru

4277
02:49:42,650 --> 02:49:40,859
case okay those were all with um uh with

4278
02:49:46,070 --> 02:49:42,660
uh you know project projectile weapons

4279
02:49:47,270 --> 02:49:46,080
so 1957 it was um it was 3.5 inch

4280
02:49:50,270 --> 02:49:47,280
Rockets

4281
02:49:52,910 --> 02:49:50,280
um in 1976 Tehran case uh they attempted

4282
02:49:54,770 --> 02:49:52,920
to use uh uh radar homing and they also

4283
02:49:56,510 --> 02:49:54,780
had uh infrared seeking missiles and

4284
02:49:59,330 --> 02:49:56,520
then 1980 Peru case they attempted to

4285
02:50:01,250 --> 02:49:59,340
shoot down a Europe with a 23 millimeter

4286
02:50:02,990 --> 02:50:01,260
cannon uh more recently there's been an

4287
02:50:03,650 --> 02:50:03,000
interview by

4288
02:50:08,030 --> 02:50:03,660
um

4289
02:50:09,889 --> 02:50:08,040
Elizondo said

4290
02:50:12,590 --> 02:50:09,899
um there may be some significance to the

4291
02:50:14,090 --> 02:50:12,600
electrical electromagnetic pulse uh but

4292
02:50:15,469 --> 02:50:14,100
he says this is pure speculation at the

4293
02:50:17,510 --> 02:50:15,479
moment but based on some potential

4294
02:50:19,010 --> 02:50:17,520
observations he said there may be some

4295
02:50:21,230 --> 02:50:19,020
truth

4296
02:50:23,090 --> 02:50:21,240
EMP of energy can interfere with

4297
02:50:25,490 --> 02:50:23,100
whatever this technology is propulsion

4298
02:50:27,309 --> 02:50:25,500
basically destroying uh the field around

4299
02:50:29,270 --> 02:50:27,319
the craft so that it negative

4300
02:50:32,090 --> 02:50:29,280
anti-gravity and the thing falls out the

4301
02:50:34,130 --> 02:50:32,100
sky so that to me would indicate yes

4302
02:50:35,330 --> 02:50:34,140
there's a possibility that uh

4303
02:50:38,090 --> 02:50:35,340
you know some weapons have been

4304
02:50:40,250 --> 02:50:38,100
developed by the us to bring down UAP

4305
02:50:42,770 --> 02:50:40,260
now in my first page as well I

4306
02:50:45,889 --> 02:50:42,780
interviewed uh Dr Jackson fatty about

4307
02:50:47,330 --> 02:50:45,899
this I also um talked to Colonel John

4308
02:50:49,070 --> 02:50:47,340
Alexander

4309
02:50:50,750 --> 02:50:49,080
um there were also claims remember made

4310
02:50:53,030 --> 02:50:50,760
at the citizens hearing on disclosure I

4311
02:50:54,590 --> 02:50:53,040
think it was in 2011 or 12 was it was

4312
02:50:56,570 --> 02:50:54,600
earlier anyway

4313
02:50:58,670 --> 02:50:56,580
um there was um and I don't put a lot of

4314
02:51:01,969 --> 02:50:58,680
I don't put a lot on these allegations

4315
02:51:05,030 --> 02:51:01,979
but um Stephen Greer was saying that

4316
02:51:07,250 --> 02:51:05,040
they were up to nine claims that up to

4317
02:51:08,650 --> 02:51:07,260
non-uf he claimed up to nine UFOs were

4318
02:51:10,790 --> 02:51:08,660
brought down by what he called

4319
02:51:12,770 --> 02:51:10,800
electromagnetic pulse weapons okay now

4320
02:51:14,809 --> 02:51:12,780
Dr uh now um

4321
02:51:17,570 --> 02:51:14,819
Dr Jackson fatty doesn't agree with that

4322
02:51:19,730 --> 02:51:17,580
and neither does uh John Alexander but

4323
02:51:21,110 --> 02:51:19,740
what I wanted to ask was

4324
02:51:23,570 --> 02:51:21,120
um so do we think that there's a

4325
02:51:25,790 --> 02:51:23,580
deliberate policy by certain governments

4326
02:51:28,130 --> 02:51:25,800
to bring down UAP and the natural

4327
02:51:32,450 --> 02:51:28,140
follow-up question to that be to that

4328
02:51:32,460 --> 02:51:36,710
interesting yeah it's a great one Vinnie

4329
02:51:39,230 --> 02:51:37,429
um

4330
02:51:41,590 --> 02:51:39,240
it's a really difficult one to answer if

4331
02:51:45,230 --> 02:51:41,600
there's actually been direct

4332
02:51:47,270 --> 02:51:45,240
you know rules made with certain weapons

4333
02:51:48,530 --> 02:51:47,280
to bring them down what what I think

4334
02:51:50,389 --> 02:51:48,540
about when I think about the shooting

4335
02:51:52,250 --> 02:51:50,399
down UAP is the general rules of

4336
02:51:54,110 --> 02:51:52,260
engagement now whether that's the Rules

4337
02:51:55,730 --> 02:51:54,120
of Engagement during a war time the

4338
02:51:59,269 --> 02:51:55,740
Rules of Engagement whether it's NATO

4339
02:52:01,610 --> 02:51:59,279
the us or anything you know if an

4340
02:52:04,969 --> 02:52:01,620
aircraft for example encounters a UAP in

4341
02:52:06,309 --> 02:52:04,979
sensitive airspace is it uh is it shown

4342
02:52:09,230 --> 02:52:06,319
on radar

4343
02:52:11,330 --> 02:52:09,240
has it got a transponder can they

4344
02:52:14,570 --> 02:52:11,340
identify it and have they given ample

4345
02:52:16,070 --> 02:52:14,580
warning via radio communications uh I

4346
02:52:17,750 --> 02:52:16,080
suppose have they fired warning shots

4347
02:52:19,370 --> 02:52:17,760
and if all of those things go out the

4348
02:52:21,349 --> 02:52:19,380
window I guess the next thing to do

4349
02:52:23,690 --> 02:52:21,359
correct if I'm wrong I don't know the

4350
02:52:25,370 --> 02:52:23,700
ins and outs of military but is then to

4351
02:52:26,809 --> 02:52:25,380
fire on something if it's if it's in

4352
02:52:29,330 --> 02:52:26,819
sensitive airspace

4353
02:52:31,550 --> 02:52:29,340
and then I guess what Frank is saying is

4354
02:52:33,889 --> 02:52:31,560
that there are specialist weapons or

4355
02:52:37,130 --> 02:52:33,899
units that maybe have been sent out to

4356
02:52:39,469 --> 02:52:37,140
purposefully fire on these these UAP I

4357
02:52:42,230 --> 02:52:39,479
don't know I I really don't know

4358
02:52:43,910 --> 02:52:42,240
it could it be possible absolutely but

4359
02:52:45,530 --> 02:52:43,920
it always makes me go back to kind of

4360
02:52:48,050 --> 02:52:45,540
what are the rules of engagement people

4361
02:52:50,210 --> 02:52:48,060
say the problem is that us as a human

4362
02:52:52,190 --> 02:52:50,220
race are so aggressive that we shoot at

4363
02:52:54,650 --> 02:52:52,200
these things but you know if you look at

4364
02:52:57,349 --> 02:52:54,660
and take stories like what we hear from

4365
02:53:00,110 --> 02:52:57,359
Ryan Graves that these things are seen

4366
02:53:03,050 --> 02:53:00,120
in sensitive training operation grounds

4367
02:53:04,250 --> 02:53:03,060
uh you know on a daily basis where do

4368
02:53:05,690 --> 02:53:04,260
you draw the line you know how much

4369
02:53:07,730 --> 02:53:05,700
warning do you give these things because

4370
02:53:09,530 --> 02:53:07,740
they could be a Potential Threat so it

4371
02:53:11,030 --> 02:53:09,540
to me it opens up a whole lot of

4372
02:53:16,250 --> 02:53:11,040
questions so

4373
02:53:16,260 --> 02:53:20,389
yeah thank you Holly

4374
02:53:20,399 --> 02:53:25,610
you're on mute

4375
02:53:32,210 --> 02:53:27,830
it's the best it's an interesting one

4376
02:53:34,610 --> 02:53:32,220
isn't it and it it strikes me as as

4377
02:53:36,590 --> 02:53:34,620
you know really odd in the times that

4378
02:53:37,969 --> 02:53:36,600
we're we're willing to fire with them

4379
02:53:39,769 --> 02:53:37,979
but are we willing to try and

4380
02:53:43,490 --> 02:53:39,779
communicate with them what are our

4381
02:53:45,290 --> 02:53:43,500
communication efforts you know and I

4382
02:53:45,950 --> 02:53:45,300
always come back to that point when was

4383
02:53:47,389 --> 02:53:45,960
it

4384
02:53:49,849 --> 02:53:47,399
um at that event earlier this year

4385
02:53:51,530 --> 02:53:49,859
Vinnie and I were at when Rick Doty was

4386
02:53:53,929 --> 02:53:51,540
talking about you know the secret space

4387
02:53:57,349 --> 02:53:53,939
program and and you know some of the the

4388
02:53:59,030 --> 02:53:57,359
secret tools that we had to to shoot at

4389
02:54:01,790 --> 02:53:59,040
them as they were entering in and out of

4390
02:54:03,769 --> 02:54:01,800
our atmosphere and stuff but I just kept

4391
02:54:05,750 --> 02:54:03,779
kept and maybe it's my naivety and

4392
02:54:08,269 --> 02:54:05,760
living in a you know Dreamland that I

4393
02:54:10,550 --> 02:54:08,279
occupy most of the time but you know

4394
02:54:13,130 --> 02:54:10,560
we're shooting but are we communicating

4395
02:54:15,290 --> 02:54:13,140
first and again goes back to what Venice

4396
02:54:17,150 --> 02:54:15,300
just said it's the rules of engagement I

4397
02:54:19,429 --> 02:54:17,160
you know I can't profess to know

4398
02:54:22,250 --> 02:54:19,439
anything really about about that side of

4399
02:54:23,870 --> 02:54:22,260
life at all but you know what efforts

4400
02:54:27,769 --> 02:54:23,880
are being made to communicate with them

4401
02:54:29,630 --> 02:54:27,779
uh you know I'd like to know that first

4402
02:54:31,309 --> 02:54:29,640
yeah that's a great Point

4403
02:54:34,070 --> 02:54:31,319
um yeah I don't have any you know

4404
02:54:35,929 --> 02:54:34,080
particularly great Insider info here but

4405
02:54:38,330 --> 02:54:35,939
uh from what we've heard from other

4406
02:54:41,090 --> 02:54:38,340
anecdotal reports we we have

4407
02:54:43,309 --> 02:54:41,100
um and I can think of even Tom Delong

4408
02:54:45,889 --> 02:54:43,319
who mentioned that starfish Prime was in

4409
02:54:49,849 --> 02:54:45,899
part designed to do that in the upper

4410
02:54:51,889 --> 02:54:49,859
atmosphere uh or lower Earth atmosphere

4411
02:54:53,450 --> 02:54:51,899
um the Virginia case I mean let's talk

4412
02:54:55,910 --> 02:54:53,460
about that you know if that actually

4413
02:54:58,250 --> 02:54:55,920
happened as it was described we had a

4414
02:55:00,769 --> 02:54:58,260
craft that seemed damaged in some way

4415
02:55:02,570 --> 02:55:00,779
and then not long after it was down we

4416
02:55:04,250 --> 02:55:02,580
had a military presence that sounded off

4417
02:55:05,510 --> 02:55:04,260
an awful lot to me like they knew

4418
02:55:08,330 --> 02:55:05,520
exactly that where it was going to be

4419
02:55:12,110 --> 02:55:08,340
and how it might have gotten there uh so

4420
02:55:13,790 --> 02:55:12,120
that hints at at a coordinated effort um

4421
02:55:16,070 --> 02:55:13,800
and then Deb I know you've mentioned

4422
02:55:18,889 --> 02:55:16,080
before uh some things like project Moon

4423
02:55:20,990 --> 02:55:18,899
dust the active collection effort uh of

4424
02:55:23,150 --> 02:55:21,000
Crash retrieval if you have a crash

4425
02:55:25,070 --> 02:55:23,160
retrieval program well you you you know

4426
02:55:26,389 --> 02:55:25,080
you're you're not doing that just for

4427
02:55:27,710 --> 02:55:26,399
fun you know you know what you're doing

4428
02:55:31,130 --> 02:55:27,720
you're going out to retrieve these

4429
02:55:33,060 --> 02:55:31,140
objects and you've got an organized

4430
02:55:34,130 --> 02:55:33,070
process in place to do so

4431
02:55:36,349 --> 02:55:34,140
[Music]

4432
02:55:37,910 --> 02:55:36,359
so that tells me that you you know what

4433
02:55:39,830 --> 02:55:37,920
you're doing you're targeting these

4434
02:55:41,530 --> 02:55:39,840
things and you're going after them so I

4435
02:55:43,670 --> 02:55:41,540
don't know the the evidence the

4436
02:55:45,230 --> 02:55:43,680
circumstantial evidence anyway seems

4437
02:55:47,809 --> 02:55:45,240
like it's fairly strong we're pointing

4438
02:55:49,849 --> 02:55:47,819
in that direction in my opinion

4439
02:55:53,090 --> 02:55:49,859
Yeah we actually have quite a lot of

4440
02:55:57,469 --> 02:55:53,100
foyas on the exploitation

4441
02:56:00,050 --> 02:55:57,479
of these objects granted we were also

4442
02:56:02,750 --> 02:56:00,060
trying to exploit satellites and space

4443
02:56:05,030 --> 02:56:02,760
debris right so there's some muddled

4444
02:56:07,010 --> 02:56:05,040
Waters there but it does stand out that

4445
02:56:08,929 --> 02:56:07,020
Luke basically said of course we would

4446
02:56:11,090 --> 02:56:08,939
have tried to take them down like

4447
02:56:14,450 --> 02:56:11,100
they're flying over our ships

4448
02:56:16,610 --> 02:56:14,460
however I will say that I have heard an

4449
02:56:19,309 --> 02:56:16,620
Insider say there's a protocol there's

4450
02:56:22,849 --> 02:56:19,319
like three steps of decision making

4451
02:56:24,710 --> 02:56:22,859
before they would shoot one down and if

4452
02:56:27,230 --> 02:56:24,720
it doesn't reach all three of those

4453
02:56:30,769 --> 02:56:27,240
levels they would probably just ignore

4454
02:56:32,750 --> 02:56:30,779
them believe it or not which is a little

4455
02:56:35,150 --> 02:56:32,760
shocking but that's that's just how that

4456
02:56:39,050 --> 02:56:36,830
I guess the one thing that's one thing

4457
02:56:41,750 --> 02:56:39,060
that scares me is we hear about baiting

4458
02:56:43,490 --> 02:56:41,760
UAP it would it would motify me to think

4459
02:56:44,929 --> 02:56:43,500
that we were baiting these things in to

4460
02:56:47,570 --> 02:56:44,939
then shoot at them you know that would

4461
02:56:49,010 --> 02:56:47,580
just be the the really bad far end of

4462
02:56:52,070 --> 02:56:49,020
the spectrum when it comes to this kind

4463
02:56:56,769 --> 02:56:52,080
of question so if it's Comfort at all I

4464
02:57:02,030 --> 02:56:59,389
and I think there's a good chance that

4465
02:57:04,370 --> 02:57:02,040
we may know enough to know which ones

4466
02:57:06,410 --> 02:57:04,380
are and which ones are not

4467
02:57:08,990 --> 02:57:06,420
nice I like the answer it makes me feel

4468
02:57:10,250 --> 02:57:09,000
better thank you Deb well I want to hear

4469
02:57:11,809 --> 02:57:10,260
from DJ here DJ what do you think about

4470
02:57:14,210 --> 02:57:11,819
that

4471
02:57:17,809 --> 02:57:14,220
uh I'm gonna to take a pass on this one

4472
02:57:22,550 --> 02:57:17,819
and just say I hope not okay sounds good

4473
02:57:23,990 --> 02:57:22,560
excellent well uh that Frank please can

4474
02:57:26,090 --> 02:57:24,000
I just review

4475
02:57:27,469 --> 02:57:26,100
um what I said about Condon because it

4476
02:57:28,550 --> 02:57:27,479
explains some of the points that have

4477
02:57:29,990 --> 02:57:28,560
been brought up which are all very good

4478
02:57:32,410 --> 02:57:30,000
points

4479
02:57:36,830 --> 02:57:34,610
they said that uh you know they'd be

4480
02:57:38,690 --> 02:57:36,840
considered a threat if controlled

4481
02:57:40,370 --> 02:57:38,700
unidentified air objects could

4482
02:57:42,469 --> 02:57:40,380
successfully penetrate the defended

4483
02:57:43,550 --> 02:57:42,479
airspace of the UK air defense region so

4484
02:57:45,830 --> 02:57:43,560
we're not talking about a Russian

4485
02:57:47,809 --> 02:57:45,840
aircraft that's approaching the UK air

4486
02:57:50,030 --> 02:57:47,819
defense identification Zone and there's

4487
02:57:52,610 --> 02:57:50,040
50 kilometers off the coast and you know

4488
02:57:53,809 --> 02:57:52,620
a typhoon goes up and says uh hi you

4489
02:57:55,429 --> 02:57:53,819
know Russian aircraft sorry you're

4490
02:57:56,929 --> 02:57:55,439
approaching our airspace please can you

4491
02:57:58,730 --> 02:57:56,939
turn it away this is it's already the

4492
02:58:00,769 --> 02:57:58,740
inside British airspace it's like deep

4493
02:58:03,170 --> 02:58:00,779
inside the UK and it also says with

4494
02:58:05,630 --> 02:58:03,180
hostile intent in peace crisis or War

4495
02:58:07,250 --> 02:58:05,640
so when you're saying when you're saying

4496
02:58:09,170 --> 02:58:07,260
a controlled unidentified air object

4497
02:58:10,790 --> 02:58:09,180
means that you don't understand what it

4498
02:58:12,530 --> 02:58:10,800
is on the radar and identify that means

4499
02:58:14,330 --> 02:58:12,540
that you've tried to hail it

4500
02:58:16,610 --> 02:58:14,340
Bond and it's already like you know over

4501
02:58:19,969 --> 02:58:16,620
thousand Lane nuclear base or you know

4502
02:58:22,130 --> 02:58:19,979
and it's in peace crisis or War

4503
02:58:23,690 --> 02:58:22,140
um then the potential damage in terms of

4504
02:58:25,370 --> 02:58:23,700
physical effects electronic effects or

4505
02:58:26,750 --> 02:58:25,380
the possibility of an air Hazard or a

4506
02:58:29,090 --> 02:58:26,760
collision so if it's already inside the

4507
02:58:29,929 --> 02:58:29,100
UK and it hasn't been identified and

4508
02:58:31,910 --> 02:58:29,939
they don't know what it's doing there

4509
02:58:34,610 --> 02:58:31,920
then it's considered a threat

4510
02:58:36,830 --> 02:58:34,620
objects within the airspace

4511
02:58:38,090 --> 02:58:36,840
it's a fairly hostile if challenged I.E

4512
02:58:39,769 --> 02:58:38,100
they don't answer if they're challenged

4513
02:58:41,450 --> 02:58:39,779
and then vulnerable Trader track and can

4514
02:58:43,429 --> 02:58:41,460
outmaneuver our Airborne or ground-based

4515
02:58:44,929 --> 02:58:43,439
air defenses so

4516
02:58:46,670 --> 02:58:44,939
yeah I think you'd be pretty worried

4517
02:58:48,290 --> 02:58:46,680
about that and then the last one is

4518
02:58:50,030 --> 02:58:48,300
controlled objects internally the UK air

4519
02:58:52,429 --> 02:58:50,040
defense region having possibly obtained

4520
02:58:53,809 --> 02:58:52,439
intelligence data imagery electronic

4521
02:58:55,130 --> 02:58:53,819
intelligence which is why you want to

4522
02:58:56,750 --> 02:58:55,140
keep them as far away from your Coast as

4523
02:58:58,730 --> 02:58:56,760
possible as far away from your airspace

4524
02:59:00,349 --> 02:58:58,740
now I'm not saying that they shouldn't

4525
02:59:02,090 --> 02:59:00,359
try to communicate with them certainly

4526
02:59:03,950 --> 02:59:02,100
they should but I think

4527
02:59:06,769 --> 02:59:03,960
um if you have things shutting down your

4528
02:59:09,950 --> 02:59:06,779
nukes flying over uh you know sensitive

4529
02:59:12,769 --> 02:59:09,960
carrier battle groups strike groups then

4530
02:59:14,570 --> 02:59:12,779
if that were the North Koreans doing

4531
02:59:15,650 --> 02:59:14,580
that or the Chinese or the Russians that

4532
02:59:17,150 --> 02:59:15,660
would that very much be considered like

4533
02:59:19,010 --> 02:59:17,160
hostile intent and you'd want to escort

4534
02:59:21,650 --> 02:59:19,020
them away and if they came too close

4535
02:59:24,769 --> 02:59:21,660
then um you know potentially you would

4536
02:59:26,750 --> 02:59:24,779
have a an intercept situation

4537
02:59:29,269 --> 02:59:26,760
but all those points you got brought up

4538
02:59:31,309 --> 02:59:29,279
were very very good

4539
02:59:33,889 --> 02:59:31,319
yeah this if if you were to look at a

4540
02:59:35,450 --> 02:59:33,899
military Aviation chart like uh you're

4541
02:59:37,130 --> 02:59:35,460
going Pawn charts because you're going

4542
02:59:39,469 --> 02:59:37,140
to be flying like InterContinental you'd

4543
02:59:41,750 --> 02:59:39,479
see like around the UK the 80s that he

4544
02:59:44,389 --> 02:59:41,760
spoke with adiz and it would show you

4545
02:59:46,670 --> 02:59:44,399
that if you if you fly past that

4546
02:59:48,590 --> 02:59:46,680
perimeter uh and your little airplane

4547
02:59:50,450 --> 02:59:48,600
will appear on your moving map that

4548
02:59:52,550 --> 02:59:50,460
you're penetrating their ages and you're

4549
02:59:55,130 --> 02:59:52,560
subject to intercept if you don't have

4550
02:59:57,290 --> 02:59:55,140
clearance to be in that in that airspace

4551
02:59:58,849 --> 02:59:57,300
that's what uh Frank's talking about

4552
03:00:01,309 --> 02:59:58,859
there I'm trying to remember the other

4553
03:00:03,590 --> 03:00:01,319
aspect that he was taught oh so the

4554
03:00:04,849 --> 03:00:03,600
guard freak so Deb and I and Nathan have

4555
03:00:07,550 --> 03:00:04,859
talked about this before the guard

4556
03:00:11,570 --> 03:00:07,560
frequencies so if you're on VHF it would

4557
03:00:14,269 --> 03:00:11,580
be like 121.5 and as Frank knows on UHF

4558
03:00:17,090 --> 03:00:14,279
UB uh one

4559
03:00:20,809 --> 03:00:17,100
oh boy 243 oh my God I almost forgot

4560
03:00:23,769 --> 03:00:20,819
that so what's happening is if if I were

4561
03:00:28,870 --> 03:00:23,779
talking to Holly on

4562
03:00:32,269 --> 03:00:28,880
122.750 but somebody's talking on 121.5

4563
03:00:33,889 --> 03:00:32,279
it would appear louder than Holly and

4564
03:00:36,889 --> 03:00:33,899
Mai's Community we would hear that

4565
03:00:38,510 --> 03:00:36,899
coming right into our Communications uh

4566
03:00:40,490 --> 03:00:38,520
if we had that pulled up we had guard

4567
03:00:42,349 --> 03:00:40,500
pulled up it would actually be louder

4568
03:00:44,990 --> 03:00:42,359
than our voices to one another so we'd

4569
03:00:48,469 --> 03:00:45,000
go oh somebody's on guard and so if you

4570
03:00:50,030 --> 03:00:48,479
were trying to hail UFO on UHF and VHF

4571
03:00:52,670 --> 03:00:50,040
you'd be transmitting on both those

4572
03:00:54,410 --> 03:00:52,680
frequencies and calling out to it saying

4573
03:00:56,150 --> 03:00:54,420
whatever you're saying to try to

4574
03:00:58,730 --> 03:00:56,160
identify

4575
03:01:01,250 --> 03:00:58,740
can I just chime in that I don't think

4576
03:01:02,690 --> 03:01:01,260
like I mean I don't I obviously am not

4577
03:01:04,250 --> 03:01:02,700
in the military I don't have all the

4578
03:01:06,410 --> 03:01:04,260
answers with this but I don't think that

4579
03:01:08,389 --> 03:01:06,420
we would just shoot if we saw a sub that

4580
03:01:10,550 --> 03:01:08,399
was an enemy sub in our Waters either

4581
03:01:13,730 --> 03:01:10,560
right we would have to do the same thing

4582
03:01:15,110 --> 03:01:13,740
we need to follow the protocols but of

4583
03:01:16,670 --> 03:01:15,120
course in this case we're talking about

4584
03:01:17,990 --> 03:01:16,680
something that would be very difficult

4585
03:01:19,910 --> 03:01:18,000
to shoot

4586
03:01:21,950 --> 03:01:19,920
yeah to know that again you would have

4587
03:01:23,870 --> 03:01:21,960
to know the rules of engagement and I

4588
03:01:25,849 --> 03:01:23,880
have no idea what the rules of

4589
03:01:28,250 --> 03:01:25,859
engagement are on sub submarin or

4590
03:01:30,469 --> 03:01:28,260
Warfare so I couldn't even Venture a

4591
03:01:33,349 --> 03:01:30,479
guess but I do know what happens in

4592
03:01:35,990 --> 03:01:33,359
Aerospace encounters like that and again

4593
03:01:38,530 --> 03:01:36,000
I I I'd like to weigh in on this but I

4594
03:01:40,490 --> 03:01:38,540
just can't yeah

4595
03:01:42,290 --> 03:01:40,500
excellent discussion though that was a

4596
03:01:43,969 --> 03:01:42,300
great one Frank thank you

4597
03:01:45,769 --> 03:01:43,979
um well I think we're kind of come to

4598
03:01:47,389 --> 03:01:45,779
the end of the of the back and forth

4599
03:01:48,710 --> 03:01:47,399
this has been a marathon session and

4600
03:01:50,690 --> 03:01:48,720
everybody I appreciate it particularly

4601
03:01:52,849 --> 03:01:50,700
given the late time that it is in the UK

4602
03:01:54,230 --> 03:01:52,859
so we don't take it for granted that you

4603
03:01:55,610 --> 03:01:54,240
guys were willing to spend some of your

4604
03:01:58,010 --> 03:01:55,620
free time with us we really appreciate

4605
03:02:00,230 --> 03:01:58,020
that but the voting Nathan the voting

4606
03:02:02,210 --> 03:02:00,240
after these guys check off I know we are

4607
03:02:04,610 --> 03:02:02,220
going to do that so uh we will we want

4608
03:02:05,870 --> 03:02:04,620
to thank all of you again and those of

4609
03:02:07,370 --> 03:02:05,880
you who had to leave a little bit early

4610
03:02:08,809 --> 03:02:07,380
want to thank those as well I know we

4611
03:02:11,030 --> 03:02:08,819
missed Graham but we'll get him back at

4612
03:02:13,730 --> 03:02:11,040
another time and all of the folks from

4613
03:02:15,410 --> 03:02:13,740
Zeppelin we thank them as well and look

4614
03:02:17,030 --> 03:02:15,420
forward to uh the vote this is gonna be

4615
03:02:20,870 --> 03:02:17,040
a tough one DJ I mean there's a very

4616
03:02:22,910 --> 03:02:20,880
different sessions very it is so uh yeah

4617
03:02:25,370 --> 03:02:22,920
let's let's deliberate so with that uh

4618
03:02:27,830 --> 03:02:25,380
said uh thank you Frank and Holly and

4619
03:02:30,530 --> 03:02:27,840
Vinnie and we will be in touch shortly

4620
03:02:33,530 --> 03:02:30,540
thank you so much guys thank you love

4621
03:02:35,870 --> 03:02:33,540
you guys thanks very much guys

4622
03:02:39,950 --> 03:02:35,880
nice to meet you Holly bye thank you

4623
03:02:43,610 --> 03:02:42,889
wow all right that was good stuff right

4624
03:02:46,969 --> 03:02:43,620
there

4625
03:02:48,950 --> 03:02:46,979
and we only went we only went what uh a

4626
03:02:51,410 --> 03:02:48,960
half hour over which I thought it was a

4627
03:02:53,090 --> 03:02:51,420
great it was time well spent yeah I mean

4628
03:02:55,910 --> 03:02:53,100
just so many uh great thinkers there

4629
03:02:57,469 --> 03:02:55,920
good conversation uh you know it's a

4630
03:02:59,510 --> 03:02:57,479
real treat I actually that we're we're

4631
03:03:01,969 --> 03:02:59,520
grateful to have so many wonderful

4632
03:03:04,070 --> 03:03:01,979
people uh to to have that chat with and

4633
03:03:06,110 --> 03:03:04,080
and the fact that they're in the UK is

4634
03:03:07,250 --> 03:03:06,120
just incredible this Topic's been so

4635
03:03:09,469 --> 03:03:07,260
many different

4636
03:03:11,030 --> 03:03:09,479
countries and backgrounds and it's great

4637
03:03:13,849 --> 03:03:11,040
to we can have a platform we can have

4638
03:03:15,769 --> 03:03:13,859
that discussion illustrated by Vinnie

4639
03:03:18,349 --> 03:03:15,779
having that back and forth with Dave

4640
03:03:19,910 --> 03:03:18,359
Smathers about the hat on backwards it

4641
03:03:21,950 --> 03:03:19,920
you know these guys would never know

4642
03:03:24,650 --> 03:03:21,960
each other except for this topic right

4643
03:03:25,849 --> 03:03:24,660
right exactly that's a great Point yeah

4644
03:03:28,250 --> 03:03:25,859
all right well how do we get started

4645
03:03:30,469 --> 03:03:28,260
here so um maybe we'll just start with

4646
03:03:32,750 --> 03:03:30,479
Deb what what what are your thoughts uh

4647
03:03:35,450 --> 03:03:32,760
your first takeaway here the two groups

4648
03:03:37,429 --> 03:03:35,460
I have to say despite the technical

4649
03:03:40,250 --> 03:03:37,439
difficulties that happen with the second

4650
03:03:42,830 --> 03:03:40,260
group I think I would go with that one

4651
03:03:45,170 --> 03:03:42,840
because we covered not only experiencer

4652
03:03:48,110 --> 03:03:45,180
situations we went into Consciousness

4653
03:03:50,990 --> 03:03:48,120
but we also talked about reports I love

4654
03:03:53,870 --> 03:03:51,000
reports so I'm going you're kidding

4655
03:03:55,550 --> 03:03:53,880
devastated dojo we want you to pick let

4656
03:03:57,830 --> 03:03:55,560
me just make sure we got the Roes of

4657
03:04:00,710 --> 03:03:57,840
this discussion you what we want you to

4658
03:04:02,870 --> 03:04:00,720
do is pick one person out of those two

4659
03:04:04,490 --> 03:04:02,880
groups that you thought had the best

4660
03:04:07,550 --> 03:04:04,500
topic because that's who's going to win

4661
03:04:09,590 --> 03:04:07,560
that group is going to win

4662
03:04:12,290 --> 03:04:09,600
oh my gosh

4663
03:04:14,090 --> 03:04:12,300
that's what we're doing here I've got

4664
03:04:15,830 --> 03:04:14,100
two and I'll give you guys two to

4665
03:04:17,210 --> 03:04:15,840
consider and then see what you guys

4666
03:04:19,490 --> 03:04:17,220
think and then come to a final

4667
03:04:21,050 --> 03:04:19,500
conclusion from there but once you go

4668
03:04:22,849 --> 03:04:21,060
yeah like he said

4669
03:04:24,950 --> 03:04:22,859
hmm

4670
03:04:27,830 --> 03:04:24,960
I'm gonna opposed to you can post too

4671
03:04:29,389 --> 03:04:27,840
okay I'll say Holly and Vinnie

4672
03:04:34,730 --> 03:04:29,399
okay

4673
03:04:36,230 --> 03:04:34,740
let's see so and that that was from just

4674
03:04:38,210 --> 03:04:36,240
this session do you want to do the the

4675
03:04:39,650 --> 03:04:38,220
Zeppelin side as well Deb or do you or

4676
03:04:42,530 --> 03:04:39,660
we just yeah that's what I mean two

4677
03:04:45,910 --> 03:04:42,540
overall for both for both groups yeah

4678
03:04:47,750 --> 03:04:46,730
[Music]

4679
03:04:49,610 --> 03:04:47,760
um

4680
03:04:52,309 --> 03:04:49,620
or one from each would that be the way

4681
03:04:55,670 --> 03:04:52,319
to say it yeah one from each I think

4682
03:04:58,849 --> 03:04:55,680
yeah yeah okay

4683
03:05:03,590 --> 03:04:58,859
I'm gonna go with Ash coming in and

4684
03:05:06,710 --> 03:05:05,990
God that was good so Ash and Holly you

4685
03:05:09,110 --> 03:05:06,720
have

4686
03:05:12,170 --> 03:05:09,120
yeah that's fine I'll go with that yes

4687
03:05:16,429 --> 03:05:15,170
yeah I I uh I'm gonna go with Ash and

4688
03:05:21,530 --> 03:05:16,439
Vinnie

4689
03:05:23,870 --> 03:05:21,540
speaks to that sort of

4690
03:05:26,870 --> 03:05:23,880
what kinds of things need to be need to

4691
03:05:29,150 --> 03:05:26,880
take place for it to really get rooted

4692
03:05:30,590 --> 03:05:29,160
in in The Wider conversation throughout

4693
03:05:31,370 --> 03:05:30,600
the world

4694
03:05:33,170 --> 03:05:31,380
um

4695
03:05:34,969 --> 03:05:33,180
so yeah I

4696
03:05:37,730 --> 03:05:34,979
man so many good good ones though I mean

4697
03:05:41,570 --> 03:05:37,740
I just it was it's yeah

4698
03:05:44,510 --> 03:05:41,580
we're gonna go with Ash and Holly

4699
03:05:47,269 --> 03:05:44,520
um and based on uh the majority here I

4700
03:05:49,849 --> 03:05:47,279
think it's Ash because Vinnie alluded to

4701
03:05:53,690 --> 03:05:49,859
that question by saying What's It Gonna

4702
03:05:57,290 --> 03:05:53,700
uh will what will people think of if

4703
03:06:01,550 --> 03:05:57,300
James Fox's evidence is is re that film

4704
03:06:04,130 --> 03:06:01,560
is revealed and what Ash acts was the

4705
03:06:06,170 --> 03:06:04,140
actual question that you just said Ash

4706
03:06:09,349 --> 03:06:06,180
actually asked that question he actually

4707
03:06:12,349 --> 03:06:09,359
said what um what will be the next step

4708
03:06:15,410 --> 03:06:12,359
if disclosure happens what's the next so

4709
03:06:17,990 --> 03:06:15,420
uh I I have to go with Ash and therefore

4710
03:06:20,150 --> 03:06:18,000
I go Zeppelin I think all of us have

4711
03:06:22,730 --> 03:06:20,160
picked Ash out of the out of the whole

4712
03:06:24,889 --> 03:06:22,740
group I definitely we all went Ash I

4713
03:06:27,349 --> 03:06:24,899
think we all wanted to overturn reality

4714
03:06:31,429 --> 03:06:27,359
guys it seems it seems that way yeah

4715
03:06:34,550 --> 03:06:31,439
well in typical uh Nathan fashion uh I

4716
03:06:37,670 --> 03:06:34,560
actually have two sets of art I have ten

4717
03:06:40,490 --> 03:06:37,680
pieces total uh so I can give both teams

4718
03:06:42,469 --> 03:06:40,500
something uh and given how the

4719
03:06:45,290 --> 03:06:42,479
conversation kind of went I think it

4720
03:06:48,889 --> 03:06:45,300
turned out really appropriate so yeah um

4721
03:06:51,290 --> 03:06:48,899
that's great so to to the Zeppelin team

4722
03:06:53,809 --> 03:06:51,300
uh who really brought conversation about

4723
03:06:58,370 --> 03:06:53,819
how this affects us from on a societal

4724
03:07:00,469 --> 03:06:58,380
level uh a macro scale I've got uh these

4725
03:07:03,050 --> 03:07:00,479
pieces here

4726
03:07:05,809 --> 03:07:03,060
are each of these are are similar but

4727
03:07:08,990 --> 03:07:05,819
they're unique uh so there are five that

4728
03:07:10,370 --> 03:07:09,000
will give out to that group oh God flip

4729
03:07:13,969 --> 03:07:10,380
through you get a little different alien

4730
03:07:15,349 --> 03:07:13,979
fellas in each one but kind of a London

4731
03:07:17,150 --> 03:07:15,359
scene there

4732
03:07:19,849 --> 03:07:17,160
um

4733
03:07:22,550 --> 03:07:19,859
and then because of the very personal

4734
03:07:24,530 --> 03:07:22,560
nature of the second part of our

4735
03:07:26,389 --> 03:07:24,540
conversation with the who which I felt

4736
03:07:28,550 --> 03:07:26,399
it did feel very personal to me it felt

4737
03:07:30,710 --> 03:07:28,560
more intimate maybe because we had a

4738
03:07:33,950 --> 03:07:30,720
smaller group uh we're going to go with

4739
03:07:37,190 --> 03:07:33,960
an actual being uh and and a little nod

4740
03:07:39,710 --> 03:07:37,200
to you DJ these are DJ aliens uh so I'm

4741
03:07:44,570 --> 03:07:39,720
going to show those real quickly here

4742
03:07:48,050 --> 03:07:44,580
so we have five unique DJ aliens uh that

4743
03:07:49,550 --> 03:07:48,060
will be given to the who so they each

4744
03:07:51,769 --> 03:07:49,560
have a little bit of a different facial

4745
03:07:53,870 --> 03:07:51,779
feature and uh and kind of I guess like

4746
03:07:55,130 --> 03:07:53,880
a weapon or something or maybe it's a

4747
03:07:56,330 --> 03:07:55,140
musical instrument on the back I don't

4748
03:07:58,969 --> 03:07:56,340
know

4749
03:08:02,030 --> 03:07:58,979
um so there we go yeah

4750
03:08:04,550 --> 03:08:02,040
wow that is great so all right so we'll

4751
03:08:07,370 --> 03:08:04,560
announce a winner but everybody is going

4752
03:08:09,170 --> 03:08:07,380
to get a prize just because that's cap

4753
03:08:12,349 --> 03:08:09,180
um that's it yeah that's how we do it

4754
03:08:15,349 --> 03:08:12,359
yeah Ash was like something like uh the

4755
03:08:18,170 --> 03:08:15,359
phenomenon link to Consciousness uh

4756
03:08:21,290 --> 03:08:18,180
somber is it fundamental fundamental to

4757
03:08:23,870 --> 03:08:21,300
reality shocks

4758
03:08:25,370 --> 03:08:23,880
and is the shock the reason for secrecy

4759
03:08:26,870 --> 03:08:25,380
and stuff like that that's right that's

4760
03:08:29,210 --> 03:08:26,880
kind of like the effect so yeah that's

4761
03:08:31,250 --> 03:08:29,220
great all right that I I love that that

4762
03:08:33,110 --> 03:08:31,260
the answer to all that I was wondering

4763
03:08:34,910 --> 03:08:33,120
why there was a second Nathan I thought

4764
03:08:38,390 --> 03:08:34,920
it was the Nathan from another reality

4765
03:08:42,670 --> 03:08:38,400
that came into the show could be so yeah

4766
03:08:47,929 --> 03:08:45,290
all right cool nobody else is on so

4767
03:08:50,389 --> 03:08:47,939
we'll announce it on Twitter

4768
03:08:52,969 --> 03:08:50,399
um and this is great man I thought it

4769
03:08:54,830 --> 03:08:52,979
went really well and and 30 minutes over

4770
03:08:56,450 --> 03:08:54,840
for that amount of great content I

4771
03:08:59,269 --> 03:08:56,460
thought was well worth it yeah

4772
03:09:00,590 --> 03:08:59,279
incredible group all right you take us

4773
03:09:03,889 --> 03:09:00,600
out DJ

4774
03:09:05,929 --> 03:09:03,899
oh we're still live yeah we are oh my

4775
03:09:07,130 --> 03:09:05,939
goodness okay hey we could thank our

4776
03:09:09,110 --> 03:09:07,140
audience as well for hanging in there

4777
03:09:11,450 --> 03:09:09,120
with us wow audience thank you so much

4778
03:09:13,190 --> 03:09:11,460
thank you Jules uh of the wood for

4779
03:09:15,590 --> 03:09:13,200
hanging in there and this is amazing I

4780
03:09:17,570 --> 03:09:15,600
didn't even know we were alive but uh

4781
03:09:19,370 --> 03:09:17,580
um that was great man what a what an

4782
03:09:23,090 --> 03:09:19,380
amazing conversation from all these

4783
03:09:25,010 --> 03:09:23,100
folks uh and everybody is gonna win a

4784
03:09:28,790 --> 03:09:25,020
piece of money Nathan artwork but the

4785
03:09:31,370 --> 03:09:28,800
actual winner is team Zeppelin with Ash

4786
03:09:33,950 --> 03:09:31,380
who came and just really brought it and

4787
03:09:36,530 --> 03:09:33,960
boy we've got to get him on an episode

4788
03:09:37,929 --> 03:09:36,540
like shortly we gotta we'll get Ashton

4789
03:09:40,370 --> 03:09:37,939
Holly on maybe

4790
03:09:43,070 --> 03:09:40,380
maybe that'll be the duo that we'll

4791
03:09:45,769 --> 03:09:43,080
bring on is Ash and Holly on a on a

4792
03:09:48,950 --> 03:09:45,779
joint episode to discuss things

4793
03:09:52,190 --> 03:09:48,960
um uh Ash just gotta I I don't want to

4794
03:09:54,110 --> 03:09:52,200
spill all his beans there but he has a a

4795
03:09:56,630 --> 03:09:54,120
an incredible background with the

4796
03:10:00,110 --> 03:09:56,640
British government and uh boy are we

4797
03:10:02,090 --> 03:10:00,120
lucky to have him Holly a great

4798
03:10:04,490 --> 03:10:02,100
background in entertainment and

4799
03:10:08,030 --> 03:10:04,500
advertising and with the weird sisters

4800
03:10:09,889 --> 03:10:08,040
uh she was used to be on radio in the UK

4801
03:10:12,469 --> 03:10:09,899
and now she's going to be back doing uh

4802
03:10:15,530 --> 03:10:12,479
big things with with this show with uh

4803
03:10:18,710 --> 03:10:15,540
the three ladies on there with her so uh

4804
03:10:21,650 --> 03:10:18,720
for Debs uh for Nathan for cab this is

4805
03:10:23,450 --> 03:10:21,660
DJ Singh peace out one love we'll see

4806
03:10:24,950 --> 03:10:23,460
you down the road and as always we're

4807
03:10:26,630 --> 03:10:24,960
always wondering what's up around the

4808
03:10:27,850 --> 03:10:26,640
bend